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Names

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These are called by at least 4 common names in english: Quaker or Monk, parakeet or parrot (four possible combinations all of which can he found on hte internet) --BerserkerBen 15:47, 1 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Is it not possible that this bird naturally spread from South America to North America?

No. Parrots are not migratory, and this is a southern temperate species, which does not occur in tropical South or Central America, and is thus separated by many hundreds of miles of unsuitable habitat from the US cities whre it is found. jimfbleak 05:27, 14 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Only member of genus?

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Article states Myiopsitta monachus is the only member of the genus, but other article lists Myiopsitta luchsi (cliff parakeet). Is that not the same genus?

That subspecies is not generally recognized as a seperate species. -- Kim van der Linde at venus 07:45, 4 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Case for species status is strong, but a roundup of available data is clearly needed (eg for AOU to accept it) HBW recognizes it, and generally it seems prudent to do so - the taxon is only known from a remote area so that non-acceptance as distinct species is more due to lack of material than to scientific fact... Dysmorodrepanis 02:35, 6 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Move the Name

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Out of all possible names for this bird, I think the official title of the article is probably the very least common.

Typically, they are sold as Quaker Parrots. What's more, they're not parakeets; they are parrots. They lack the raised fleshy nostrils of a parakeet, and are occasionally misnamed parakeets purely because of their small size. --Kaz 20:02, 21 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thankyou, I like quaker parrot better. The problem is not hard to solve just move everything from here to Quaker Parrot and delete everything here and replaced it with a redirect.--BerserkerBen 22:18, 21 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. The official English name used by ornithologists for this species is "Monk Parakeet". The American Ornithologists' Union and the British Ornithologists' Union both use the name Monk Parakeet; "Quaker Parrot" is a "folk name" and has no official standing. - Aerobird 22:24, 21 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The usual standard for wikipedia is that the name people are most likely to seek is the one which should be used, not the one which is official but less common. --Kaz 17:50, 15 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I would like to see some substantiation of the claim first. -- Kim van der Linde at venus 17:53, 15 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
And if it is moved, it should be done properly so as that the history moves with the page, not by copy and paste moving. -- Kim van der Linde at venus 17:56, 15 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Last point, name if with capitals under the wikiproject bird rules. -- Kim van der Linde at venus 18:00, 15 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
A quick search at google:
  • Quaker Parrot:82.500
  • Quaker Parakeet: 24.300
  • Monk Parakeet: 147.000
  • Monk Parrot: 2410
The assertion that it is the most common used name is incorrect. So, there is NO argument to move this page. -- Kim van der Linde at venus 18:04, 15 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Totally agree with Kim. and it should also be noted that Quaker is largely North American - I've not heard it used outside the US. Also my two NAm field guides and my site guide to the birds of Florida just use Monk. jimfbleak 05:06, 16 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The Quaker is originally South American. 173.33.2.70 (talk) 05:27, 14 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

US States that ban Monk Parakeets

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Is there any way to put in a section about which US states ban Monk Parakeets? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.33.171.27 (talk) 02:13, 4 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

England

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If anyone here wants to add something about the feral population at Boreham Wood, there's some information at http://www.defra.gov.uk/wildlife-pets/wildlife/management/non-native/documents/csl-parakeet-deskstudy.pdf - DEFRA Parakeets report, page 29. Opbeith (talk) 13:10, 11 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

With a further article on BBC today stating that control measures are being put into place: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-13181503 sherpajohn (talk) 03:25, 26 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Lifespan

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Under Behavior and Ecology it lists really large age ranges for the average lifespan. The cited articles don't seem to support those ranges. 2605:A601:A632:6E00:6DFD:2D05:5640:2083 (talk) 09:43, 22 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Leipziger Volkszeitung (LVZ) as source

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Methinks LVZ is not a suitable source for a wikipedia article on biology. It is a popular daily news paper, and not even a quality one in this category. The claim about monk parakeets in Germany is plain wrong; serious birdwatching organisations don't list monk parakeets among the breeding birds of Germany.

The comment in the edit history claims that LVZ sources the whole country list: This is also wrong, the article is only about parakeets in Germany.

I remove it again. 2003:E6:9713:9622:6911:1:5D0D:D113 (talk) 15:20, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that LVZ is not WP:RS for this. Invasive Spices (talk) 15:43, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
That paper can go blow bubbles in the attic, this is sourcable to the IUCN [1] - section "geographic range". Reinstated country, removed that source. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 18:36, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It seems that the German population(s) are extinct: From this paper: Mediterranean versus Atlantic monk parakeets Myiopsitta monachus: Towards differentiated management at the European scale January 2019Pest Management Science 75(4) DOI: 10.1002/ps.5320 Jose Luis Postigo et al., on ResearchGate https://www.researchgate.net/publication/330250031_Mediterranean_versus_Atlantic_monk_parakeets_Myiopsitta_monachus_Towards_differentiated_management_at_the_European_scale page 14 "Monk parakeets have previously been reported in colder, northern European countries,30, 61-63 but these populations have likely gone extinct as we found no recent evidence of monk parakeet occurrences in Denmark, Germany, Austria and the Czech Republic. We also found some records of small monk parakeet populations that have gone extinct in UK, France and The Netherlands,42, 52, 53 while the population in Belgium suffered two sharp declines since its establishment in Brussels in the late 70s.27". 2003:E6:9713:9622:5CC0:2694:E7EC:4977 (talk) 19:07, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 06:16, 11 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I have WP:PRIMARY + WP:SECONDARY that. Invasive Spices (talk) 16:22, 13 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Invasive species section

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I think this section is disproportionately large compared to the rest of the article and in parts reads like an indiscriminate list. I have started tightening up a very few sections (Spain, Chicago) while leaving most of the information in place, although I still think there is too much.

I do think it's an important subject! I am looking for a source that talks in a general way about what I think is the main point of a lot of these reasonably well sourced but overly specific or out of date facts: the monk parakeet is a charismatic invasive species that is appreciated for it's own sake and also draws concern and sometimes actual persecution over its ecological impacts.

I'm also curious what constitutes acceptable sources for updating the introduced range: Ebird shows sightings in Morocco, Kuwait, Thailand, China... I could probably find a few more, and I was going to mention Singapore but I see that it is there, just in an odd place.

@DuckWrangler97, I hope this finds you if you'd care to comment, I'm just trying to put forward the work of us obsessive birders in the best possible encyclopedic light. Philly6097 (talk) 19:55, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hey there, thanks so much for thinking of me! I'm definitely in agreement, the section is pretty unwieldly. I'm for whatever edits improve Wikipedia and accessibility of bird knowledge, and I trust that's your goal too, so I say go for it!
The current big list of all the places monk parakeets are invasive came about because there used to be a very long list in paragraph format, with very few citations; I think Easter Island was mentioned as a locale with feral parakeets at one point, uncited.
Of course, the other issue with a very mobile invasive species is that new populations pop up and die off all over the place. Just in the last decade, there have been 3 or 4 studies looking at where these populations exist in Europe, and it's clear that outside of Spain and Italy, they're pretty boom-and-bust. I personally haven't considered using eBird data for Wikipedia articles -- not opposed to it at all, as long as Wikipedia considers it a reliable source -- but I'd lean away from using it in general, on a case to case basis.
All this to say, let's definitely tighten the section up. I know the NYC section alone has a bunch of uncited statements that have been sitting for months. Let me know if I can be of any additional assistance.
Happy editing! DuckWrangler97 (talk) 22:31, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sounds good. I have just done a pretty quick cleanup of the whole section on invasive populations, cutting out some repetitive stuff and treating the geographic areas once and in one order, more or less. I was trying not to remove citations or break anything of that kind. Planning on doing some further editing down of the big sections on individual countries. Philly6097 (talk) 19:38, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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