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Ahvaz

Please stop adding that. "Al-Ahwaz" is a wrong name. Alefbe is right. --Wayiran (talk) 05:22, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

No, you are wrong. sources: [1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6], [7]. and it Pronounced as أحواز and also أهواز. Mussav (talk) 20:31, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

www.alahwaz.org is run by a militant ultra-nationalist group which uses the term al-ahwaz to refer to Khuzestan. Here, we talk about the city, not about the Khuzestan province. Alefbe (talk) 20:43, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

أهواز is the official local name of the city in Arabic, I have reverted Mussav's edit. --Kurdo777 (talk) 22:25, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

This is just one of the sites, what about the others? Al-Ahwaz tv? Al-Ahwaz radio? Al-Ahwaz studies?..etc there are diffrent orginazitions from Al-Ahwaz and all of them call it أحواز and الأهواز. Mussav (talk) 03:08, 26 May 2009 (UTC) Mussav (talk) 02:53, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

All those websites are related to Ultra-nationalist groups which use the name Al-Ahwaz to refer to Khuzestan. This discussion is about the city, not the Khuzestan province. Alefbe (talk) 03:15, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

So you are saying they call their province by the Arabic name أحواز and call their capital city by the Persian one? you don't make any sense. Mussav (talk) 19:48, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

I'm from Ahwaz and live in Ahwaz. It's Ahwaz(Ahvaz) اهواز city and Khuzestan خوزستان province. I don't know Arabic but I have never heard Al-Ahwaz here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.144.142.89 (talk) 14:18, 8 February 2011 (UTC) I am from Ahwaz: Why in the wrticle it's all written Ahvaz? Ahwaz is the pleural form of Al-huz and is pronounced and should be written "Ahwaz" not "Ahvaz". There are many examples of such pleural forms like: Walad: Awlad (ولد: أولاد ) Wazn: Awzan (وزن : أوزان); Waraq: Awraq ( ورق : أوراق ); Watan: Awtan (وطن: أوطان ). This is how the original Arab Ahwazis are writing and pronouncing it. Faraghati (talk) 11:11, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

Siavash Ghomeyshi

Why is Siavash Ghomeyshi listed under a notable Ahvazi? His wikipedia page clearly indicates that he comes from Dezful, not Ahvaz. I am going to remove him from the list. Bozium (talk) 19:01, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Ahwaz / Ahvaz

On September 30th, seeing that the majority of Ahvaz's inhabitants are Arabic speakers and that they had their own name (الأحواز)(romanized as al-ʾAḥwāz) for the city, I supplemented the article Ahvaz with the Arabic version as well as its Romanization. Note that this was a supplement, and not a substitution. A few hours later an editor (Kathovo) undid my addition and referred to my contribution as "vandalism".
Many Israeli cities are found in Wikipedia which list both the Hebrew as well as the Arabic names of those cities (e.g. Nazareth, Acre, Haifa, Jaffa, Tel Aviv, Ashdod, Beersheba, Ashkelon, etc), presumably on the basis that the Arabic names are used by the Arabic speaking population of those officially Hebrew speaking cities.
I doubt that the addition of those Arabic versions of the names is the work of "vandals".

The situation with Ahwaz is the same. Although Ahwaz is undoubtedly controlled by Iran and currently falls within its borders, nevertheless its population is mainly Arabic speaking and there is an Arabic name for the city.

In light of this, how can Kathovo justify calling my contribution, which consisted only of adding further accurate information to the article, "vandalism"?

P.S. Even distinguished Persian writer Abbas Mīlānī, writing as recently as 2008 in his Eminent Persians : the men and women who made modern Iran, 1941 - 1979 Vol. 1 refers to the city by the romanization of its Arabic name.

Why is supplementary information which is permissible in articles about Israeli cities being excluded in an article about an Iranian city?
Thank you for your feedback and your consideration. --أخوها (talk) 17:48, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

Kathovo has given permission to re-add the Arabic name of al-Ahwaz to the article.--أخوها (talk) 20:36, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

S Mehdi5441 (talk) 18:02, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

Mehdi5441 Mehdi5441 (talk) 18:02, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

Population

Would someone please confirm the population of this city? How can it have 3 million people when its population in the list is nowhere NEAR that? I think this is wrong. I estimate the population based on size of its area and my knowledge to look like more like 1.1-1.3 million. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.91.170.94 (talk) 05:50, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

mm

33 Mehdi5441 (talk) 18:04, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

Bakhtiari Lurish language

Based on Iranica and some other important references, Bakhtiari and Lurish people are third most popular ethnicity of Ahvaz . when you add Khozestani arabic you must add other popular native langs . unless you only suffice it to add only Official language of the country (Persian) and most popular native of the city. Amir Muhammad 13:00, 1 August 2016 (UTC)

@AFlorence: hello, come here lets talk and stop edit warring. please before reverting lets talk about it. Bakhtiari Lurish is a major ethnicity in Ahwaz . if you want i can bring a referable references(es) for my claim ? (pls ping me if you want to discuss thanks) The Stray Dog by Sadeq Hedayat 14:41, 10 August 2016 (UTC)

Climate chart

@Weneedwikipedia: You have been explained this before: You cannot change the time range of the table in order to include a value from outside the range. There is no way to know which other values would have to be changed if the time range was different. --T*U (talk) 06:24, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

Etymology of "suq"

Whenever you're finally finished with this lame semi-protected status, would you mind terribly correcting the etymology of "suq"? Cite wikt:سوق or [8], or just get rid of the reference to its etymology since it's not only irrelevant but very silly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.122.48.173 (talk) 12:07, 5 October 2018 (UTC)

You should create an account for yourself and makes a few good edits with it. Then you won't be subject to semi-protection! Plandu (talk) 22:07, 5 October 2018 (UTC)

Wikipedia's community is some distance beyond repair, and I have better things to do in life than fight over every comma with idiots. So, no. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.122.48.173 (talk) 08:08, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

Arabic names for Ahvaz

Why do anonymous users keep removing Arabic names for Ahvaz including الأهواز‎ and الأحواز from this article? 197.60.81.2 (talk) 14:34, 8 January 2020 (UTC)

On their [Contributions page], they geolocate to Iran. There are various ethnic activists who come to Wikipedia to "set the record straight" according to their ideological principles. You can ignore them or report them to WP:AIV for edit warring if they repeat their behavior.--Quisqualis (talk) 03:15, 9 January 2020 (UTC)

RfC on Ahvaz

why Ahvaz is refered to as "Ahwaz" ? why title is Ahvaz but still there are various references to "Ahwaz" ? 5.115.182.81 (talk) 03:46, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

why this article is within the scope of WikiProject Arab world ? Ahvaz is in Iran and Persians are majority in Ahvaz 5.115.182.81 (talk) 04:05, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

• Comment: This is a bit of a malformed query - it needs to be expressed in a way that editors can respond with a supporting or opposing response. Asking a question is not the normal way to propose a RFC. Please see WP:RFC. Deathlibrarian (talk) 06:25, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
• This is not an RfC matter, it is clear that WP:RFCBEFORE has not been observed. Taking each question in order: we choose the spelling according to the spelling used by reliable sources about the subject. Different sources will have used have different conventions for transliterating the Farsi script to the Latin script, and a "v"/"w" inconsistency is often found, because in some European languages, the letter "w" is pronounced as if it were the English "v". WP:WikiProject Arab world have the right to decide what is within their scope and what isn't; and this page does have the banner for WP:WikiProject Iran, also WP:WikiProject Cities. Having an article fall within the scope of more than one WikiProject is quite commonplace. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 06:54, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
  • Thanks for your responses. 2.147.136.185 (talk) 07:39, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

Discuss your edits

@PayamAvarwand Your edits seem to be disruptive as you are deleting cited information about the mayor, removing elevation data, and adding an unsourced paragraph. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 13:55, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

@PayamAvarwand Let's start with Reza Amini, why are you removing his name from the Infobox, this is sourced information, what is your objection? Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 15:20, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

@Sheriff Please STOP to tell me what's correct about my homeland and what is not correct! @PayamAvarwand

Huzi or Khuzi?

@Sheriff :

1: The original name of the native folk in the Susiana province was Huzi which was changed to Khuzi during the time. So, it's smart to use the correct form of the original name for the ancient time period, which was Huzi.

On the other hand the plural form of Huzi in arabic language will be Ahvaz, and this is the name that Arab immigrants gave to Hūjistān-wājār.

Therefore, there were no Ahvaz or Avaz at all before Arabs! So the following part which has no source link, has no logical relation to the Ahvaz:

Ahvaz is the analog of "Avaz" and "Avaja" which appear in the Achaemenid emperor Darius's epigraph. This word also appears in the Naqsh-Rostam inscription as "Khaja" or "Khooja".

2: the Text about the population or something like that, which are variable, don't need to be entered in the main Description, so in the side table would be enough.--PayamAvarwand (talk) 17:33, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

Hi PayamAvarwand. I've removed the etymology as it was largely unsourced/poorly sourced. Feel free to re-create it with reliable, academic sources (WP:RS). Iranica (which is open access for everyone) probably has some info on it [9]. Also, please see WP:GA articles and WP:LEDE on how ledes are written. HistoryofIran (talk) 00:00, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

Hi @HistoryofIran, I have changed the Sources, although the entire content need correct sources or corrections, but some of false sources are from old versions, which I have not added/removed them!

I have removed the following part, because I think they are not a big matter to a huge power like Iran, and by publishing about them, I am just giving them more free attention:

After a separatist group attempted to alter and divide southwestern Iran during the years 2005 to 2020, starting with changing the name of the city of "Ahwaz/Ahvaz" to something else with the "W"-version, the spelling of the city's name was officially changed to "Ahvaz".

Sorry, but you're not listening. You need to cite WP:RS, not random websites, which you largely did. And that's still not how you write ledes. Please don't WP:EDITWAR, and please add a signature when you're adding your comment. --HistoryofIran (talk) 00:39, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

I can not listen the texts, I can read them! I can trust the following websites, and I used them as sources and I advise to trust them too, I will work on my text more exact and will add them:

https://www.ahvaz.ir/

https://www.iranicaonline.org/

Payam A. 03:18, 18 November 2024 (CET)

First citation is not WP:RS. --HistoryofIran (talk) 02:44, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

That's funny! There are outdated false information on the Page of Ahvaz, and WP:RS allowes you guys to remove my neutral information, which has a high probability of being correct, and we know there are source for them. It's only the matter of time to search and add.--PayamAvarwand (talk) 17:32, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

Sigh... please just read WP:RS, WP:LEDE and WP:EDITWARRING. No one is plotting against you or Ahvaz. I'm trying to help here. This article is in a messy state indeed, but that doesn't mean it should become even more messy. HistoryofIran (talk) 21:28, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

@HistoryofIran This edit needs evaluation. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 17:45, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

Unfortunately not an improvement, same type of edit as earlier. Last try, @PayamAvarwand: did you read WP:RS and WP:LEDE? HistoryofIran (talk) 21:29, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

@PayamAvarwand The source iranoilgas.com, cited for the list of factories, does not even mention Ahvaz. Additionally, the reliability of this source is questionable. Please stop reverting and establish consensus on this matter. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 21:33, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

Problem with add information!

what is wrong? @Sheriff PayamAvarwand (talk) 22:20, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

Did you read WP:RS and WP:LEDE? HistoryofIran (talk) 22:22, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

You are removing well-sourced information and adding content that is not backed by reliable sources. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 22:43, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

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@Sheriff: Did you verify exactly which fucking Texts I have removed? Have you checked if it was a duplicated or an outdated information?

HistoryofIran: I read that days ago! What was the violation this time? --PayamAvarwand (talk) 23:31, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

Let's start with WP:LEDE then, can you explain it? HistoryofIran (talk) 23:40, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

Please do not answer my question with question!

I hope you're not meaning the issue is the persian source for an english page are not acceptable! As far as I know, it must be ok! --PayamAvarwand (talk) 00:30, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

Your edits do not demonstrate that you read it. Neither does your reply to me, my issue is not that the source is Persian. Can you explain WP:LEDE to start with? HistoryofIran (talk) 01:25, 25 November 2024 (UTC)