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Yahya Sinwar Moldova votes to amend its constitution to include the aim of becoming a European Union member state. Yahya Sinwar (pictured), the leader of Hamas, is killed in a firefight with Israeli forces in Gaza. The Nobel Memorial Prize in Economic Sciences is awarded to Daron Acemoglu, Simon Johnson, and James A. Robinson for their comparative studies of prosperity between nations. The Europa Clipper spacecraft is launched to investigate Europa, an icy moon of Jupiter. Ongoing: Israel–Hamas war Israel–Hezbollah conflict Russian invasion of Ukraine timeline Sudanese civil war timeline Recent deaths: Fernando Valenzuela Rick Nolan Matia Chowdhury Ginés González García Garbis Aprikian Sukh Dev view — page history — related changes — edit

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October 24

Portal:Current events/2024 October 24
October 24, 2024 (2024-10-24) (Thursday)

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October 23

Portal:Current events/2024 October 23

October 23, 2024 (2024-10-23) (Wednesday) Armed conflicts and attacks Kurdish–Turkish conflict 2024 Turkish Aerospace Industries headquarters attack Five people are killed and 22 others are injured in a bombing at the Turkish Aerospace Industries headquarters in Kahramankazan, Ankara Province, Turkey. The perpetrators are "neutralized" according to Interior Minister Ali Yerlikaya. The Turkish government suspects the Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK) to be behind the attack due to its style. (Al-Monitor) (Reuters) (DW) The Turkish Air Force launches airstrikes on PKK targets across northern Syria and Iraqi Kurdistan in response to the attack, while Turkish drone strikes in the centre of Kobani, injure three Asayish officers. (Reuters) (ANHA) Russian invasion of Ukraine Foreign involvement in the Russian invasion of Ukraine The United States says it has seen evidence that North Korean troops are now in Russia and are preparing to join the battlefield in Ukraine. South Korea says that Pyongyang has promised to send up to 10,000 troops to support the war effort. (The Guardian) Israel–Hezbollah conflict Hezbollah confirms that Hashem Safieddine was killed in an Israeli attack. (France 24) Health and environment Demographics of Germany, German economic crisis (2022–present) The Ifo Institute for Economic Research reports that Germany experienced a 13% birth rate decline nationally and up to a 17.5% decline in eastern Germany from 2021 to 2023. The institute attributes the decline to several reasons including the COVID-19 pandemic, the Russo-Ukrainian war, and high inflation. (DW) International relations China–Holy See relations China and the Holy See agree to extend again the 2018 provisional agreement on the appointment of Catholic bishops in China for a period of four years. (Vatican News) China–India relations Prime Minister of India Narendra Modi holds a bilateral meeting with President of China Xi Jinping on the sidelines of the 16th BRICS summit in Kazan, Russia, the first bilateral meeting in five years and in the aftermath of the 2020 border skirmishes between Indian and Chinese troops. (India Today) Law and crime A court in Munich, Germany, charges a Russian man for stabbing two Ukrainian soldiers at a shopping center in Murnau am Staffelsee, Bavaria, Germany. (DW) Four people, including the shooter, are killed and nine others are injured in a mass shooting and standoff when a gunman opens fire on police and his family in Novo Hamburgo, Brazil. (The Brazilian Report) Protesters with automatic weapons target police and firefighters in Martinique, where protests over high cost of living have prompted France to deploy forces to the island. (AP) Science and technology Norwegian Prime Minister Jonas Gahr Støre announces that his government will raise the age limit to use social media from 13 to 15 to protect children from the "power of the algorithms". (The Guardian)

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RD: Geoff Capes

Article: Geoff Capes (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Sky News, BBC
Credits:

• Nominated by Stephen (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

British shot putter Stephen 18:05, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose for now - too much unsupported info. - SchroCat (talk) 18:28, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
• Blurb/picture As World's Strongest Man more than once, he was top of his field and quite famous in his day. His face was quite familiar and we have a recognisable picture of it while the current top blurb about Moldova doesn't have a picture. Andrew🐉(talk) 18:53, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality, too much unsourced, Oppose blurb, simply being a household name is not sufficient weight, there should be clear indication of what impact or legacy he had on the future of the sport. Masem (t) 19:23, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

RD: Shamshad Abdullaev

Article: Shamshad Abdullaev (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Radio Liberty
Credits:

• Nominated by Trepang2 (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

A renowned Uzbek Russian-language poet, leader of the Fergana poetic school. The article looks OK. Trepang2 (talk) 17:58, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

2024 Turkish Aerospace Industries headquarters attack

Article: 2024 Turkish Aerospace Industries headquarters attack (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A terrorist attack occurred at the Turkish Aerospace Industries headquarters in Ankara, Turkey, killing at least seven people. (Post)
News source(s): CNN
Credits:

• Nominated by Bakhos2010 (talk · give credit)

Article updated

If the casualties from the terrorist attack was low for several days, it should be closed from this nomination. So, we'll wait for a while. Bakhos2010 (talk) 15:14, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Article seems to be a duplicate of 2024 Turkish Aerospace Industries headquarters attack RachelTensions (talk) 15:21, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Clearly only one is f these pages is needed, and the target article here can be updated. — Masem (t) 16:44, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Tropical Storm Trami

Article: Tropical Storm Trami (2024) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Tropical Storm Trami (pictured) leaves at least 14 people dead in the Philippines. (Post)
News source(s): Reuters
Credits:

• Nominated by HurricaneEdgar (talk · give credit)

HurricaneEdgar 09:06, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

• Wait unti it dissipates. 🔥Jalapeño🔥 contribs 10:04, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

I think this is a Bad Plan. Stories like these have a tendency to evaporate from the news cycle very quickly, and if the quality update exists now, waiting until the storm ceases to exist would essentially lead to us posting a stale item. If the article is ready, we ought to post at the peak of an item's newsworthiness, not after the denouement. _{Duly signed,} ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 13:54, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support - Everything looks good here. _{Duly signed,} ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 13:54, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support quality is there, has made impact with landfall, there's no need to wait after that point. Masem (t) 14:06, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
• Weak support Casualties are a little bit low, but nevertheless Trami was very impactful. Article looks good in my opinion. INeedSupport ^:3 14:10, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

  Casualties are a little bit low
  there has got to be a better way to word this RachelTensions (talk) 14:45, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

• Question the lead sentence suggests that this storm is known as "Severe Tropical Storm Kristine" in the Philippines. Should the blurb refer to it as "Kristine" here because we're specifically talking about its effects on the Philippines? What's the status quo here? RachelTensions (talk) 15:26, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

  "Kristine" was the local name for the storm in the Philippines, but it was referred to internationally as "Trami," a name given by the JMA, which PAGASA also recognized. International media refer to the storm as Trami. HurricaneEdgar 15:37, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support per WaltCip and Masem Flip^andFlopped ツ 16:46, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
• Strong Support: Quite a lot of casualties. Should post now. Elios Peredhel (talk) 23:23, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

October 22

Portal:Current events/2024 October 22

October 22, 2024 (2024-10-22) (Tuesday) Armed conflicts and attacks 2024 Iran–Israel conflict Israeli retaliation leak, Israel–United States relations The FBI announces an investigation into the leaking of classified U.S. intelligence documents regarding military plans for Israeli retaliation against Iran. (Reuters) Israel–Hamas war Israeli invasion of the Gaza Strip An Israeli drone strike on Beit Lahia in the Gaza Strip, kills at least fifteen people, including several women and children. (Al Jazeera) Islamic State insurgency in Iraq Prime Minister of Iraq Mohammed Shia' Al Sudani announces the death of several Islamic State senior members, including the group's leader in Iraq, in a military operation in Saladin Governorate, Iraq. (The Washington Post) Health and environment The U.S. Center for Disease Control announces that one person has died and at least 48 others have become ill in an E. coli outbreak linked to McDonald's Quarter Pounder beef sandwiches in ten western and midwest states with the first case confirmed on 27 September. (BBC News) Politics and elections 2024 United States presidential election Foreign interference in the 2024 United States elections The presidential campaign of former U.S. President Donald Trump files a formal complaint to the Federal Election Commission against the United Kingdom's Labour Party, accusing the Labour Party of "blatant foreign interference" in the election to support the Kamala Harris presidential campaign. (BBC News)

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RD/Blurb: Gustavo Gutiérrez

Article: Gustavo Gutiérrez (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  Peruvian Catholic theologian Gustavo Gutiérrez, a founder of Latin American liberation theology, dies at the age of 96. (Post)
News source(s): [1], AP
Credits:

• Nominated by Montechill (talk · give credit)
• Updated by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Peruvian priest and author who was a founder of liberation theology~

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Montechill (talk • contribs) 06:12, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support Looks well sourced. Spanish- and French-language sources for death, hoping to see an English-language one soon. – ClaudineChionh (she/her · talk · contribs · email) 07:03, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support blurb Founder of liberation theology. -TenorTwelve (talk) 08:13, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb OLDMANDIES. Not a serving head of state or government. Certainly not a household name. This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 15:39, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
• Comment Proposed blurb and added English source.--Sunshineisles2 (talk) 17:13, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality as necessary sources are missing for the criticism section, but would support as blurb as the legacy section properly gives sourced reasoning why he and his work was significant in theology studies. Masem (t) 17:34, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

  @Masem: Fixed sourcing issues. Article looks good. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 21:26, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose for now. The criticism section has a "citation required" for a quote. I commented out a picture of Ratzinger as pope in a 1970s context, which came with a lengthy unreferenced and undated fact. If returned, that fact should come in chronological context and with a ref. If Ratzinger acted in the 1970s, then a pic at the time please, or no pic, - or it would be misleading. Once quality is there, I'd support a blurb: influential worldwide, so more than some state politicians. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:52, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

  @Gerda Arendt: Fixed article quality issues. Should be good now. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 21:27, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose on quality Article needs some ref work before this could get posted. Would support blurb given how he founded the liberation theology and his article does establish his impact/how influential he was. Article looks good now. Legacy section is pretty good too. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 21:02, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Fernando Valenzuela

Article: Fernando Valenzuela (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [2]
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Muboshgu (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Bagumba (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Legendary Dodgers pitcher, days before a Dodgers-Yankees World Series. – Muboshgu (talk) 03:47, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support Sufficiently sourced now and citogenesis in obits cleaned out.—Bagumba (talk) 14:08, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
• The article has only one citation needed tag, for an unsourced paragraph. Otherwise it looks decent and ready. Flibirigit (talk) 18:49, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

• Posted. R.I.P., Fernando. --PFHLai (talk) 18:55, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Cuban protests, blackout, hurricane

Article: 2024 Cuba blackout (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Protests occur across Cuba amid a nationwide electrical blackout and the landfall of Hurricane Oscar. (Post)
News source(s): AP
Credits:

• Nominated by GeorgeMemulous (talk · give credit)
• Updated by ElijahPepe (talk · give credit), Vida0007 (talk · give credit), Scu ba (talk · give credit), Borgenland (talk · give credit) and Quxyz (talk · give credit)

Blackout article is a start class but Oscar is alright. Protests themselves aren't nationwide at the moment, but if they grow in scale then the blurb should be rewritten as such to include them. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 16:38, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Support concept, oppose quality article is mostly just bullet points, I'll try to cannibalize a background from the last protest article, but right now I wouldn't say it's good enough for ITN inclusion. Scuba 17:44, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Support on principle but the articles need some expansion first. Estreyeria (talk) 17:55, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

I think putting everything together kinda makes a bit of a mess of things from a blurb perspective. What seems most notable here is the blackout. It's not common that a complete blackout like this happens. DarkSide830 (talk) 18:02, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Unfortunately for Cuba it is somewhat common, as I mentioned there where blackouts earlier in the year that also caused protests. Scuba 18:05, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

There are levels to this sort of thing though. The article itself states "The blackout is the most severe energy crisis that the country has experienced since the dissolution of the Soviet Union in 1991". Personally, I just don't much favor these "x then y" blurbs unless we believe both x and y are notable for ITN themselves. Conflating these three events is only valid for the former two, and I think having a distinct article for the protests themselves would help validate the inclusion of this piece of the blurb as well. DarkSide830 (talk) 18:18, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Wait until the main blackout article has been expanded. As of now, the said article has been improved but it is still a stub. Though just like the nominator, I have no problems with regards to Hurricane Oscar's article. Vida0007 (talk) 00:33, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Merging the blackout and hurricane into one blurb about protests might be a little messy... are they protesting over Hurricane Oscar? Did Hurricane Oscar cause the blackouts? Are the protests related to the blackout or the hurricane? RachelTensions (talk) 01:37, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Hurricane Oscar made landfall while the nation was under blackout and much information about Oscar was inaccessible due to it. Protests are surrounding the Cuban government's response. We do have an article on Criticism of the government response to Hurricane Katrina and this is comparable to that in my opinion; I strongly suspect the current death toll of 6 from Oscar is going to sharply rise once the nation comes out of blackout. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 02:06, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Support on notability once the article is updated. Flip^andFlopped ツ 16:46, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

• Strong Support: Becoming a big news. SHould post. Elios Peredhel (talk) 23:26, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

October 21

Portal:Current events/2024 October 21

October 21, 2024 (2024-10-21) (Monday) Armed conflicts and attacks Sudanese civil war 2024 New Way Cargo Airlines Ilyushin Il-76 shootdown An Ilyushin Il-76 cargo plane crashes in North Darfur, Sudan, killing its crew of two Russians and three Sudanese nationals. The Rapid Support Forces claim that they shot down the aircraft with a surface-to-air missile and say that they have recovered the airplane's flight recorder. Russia says that its diplomats in Sudan are currently investigating the crash. (Sudan Tribune) (AP) A SAF jet bombs a mosque in Wad Madani, Gezira State, killing at least 31 people. The attack coincides with the RSF launching an assault across the state following the defection of the Rapid Support Forces' top commander in the state to the SAF. (Sudan Tribune) Israel–Hezbollah conflict Thirteen people are killed and 57 more wounded during Israeli airstrikes near Rafik Hariri University Hospital in Beirut, Lebanon. (Al Jazeera) Israel launches airstrikes across Lebanon, including in Beirut and the Beqaa Valley, targeting financial institutions that are allegedly linked to Hezbollah. (AP) Insurgency in Jammu and Kashmir Seven people are killed and five others are injured in a mass shooting at a camp for construction workers near Sonamarg, Jammu and Kashmir, India. (Al Jazeera) Disasters and accidents 2024 Talerddig train collision Two passenger trains collide head-on at Talerddig, Powys, Wales, killing one passenger and injuring 15 others. (BBC News) Health and environment The World Health Organization declares Egypt to be malaria-free. (BBC News) International relations China–India relations India and China reach a breakthrough in discussions on disengagement and border patrol along the disputed Line of Actual Control. (Zee News) (DW) Law and crime 2000 Sipadan kidnappings A trial court in Taguig, Philippines, convicts 17 leaders and members of Abu Sayyaf, including two top officials of the Rajah Sulaiman Movement who were on the United Nations Security Council's Sanctions List, of the kidnapping of 21 tourists from Sipadan, Malaysia, in 2000. The convicts are sentenced to reclusión perpetua. (AFP via SCMP) (PNA) Operation Car Wash A court in Peru sentences former president Alejandro Toledo to 20 years and six months in prison for receiving bribes. (Reuters) Five members of a family, including three teenagers, are killed in a mass shooting in Fall City, Washington, United States. (USA Today) Former Albanian president Ilir Meta is arrested on accusations of corruption. (Reuters) Politics and elections The National Assembly of Vietnam appoints army general Lương Cường as the country's president, succeeding Communist Party General Secretary Tô Lâm. (VOA) (AP) (VnExpress) Science and technology A 52nd Mersenne prime is discovered by a participant of the Great Internet Mersenne Prime Search, six years after the last new Mersenne prime was discovered in 2018. The prime number is 41,024,320 digits in length, making it the largest known prime number. (Mersenne.org)

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Conviction of Alejandro Toledo

Article: Alejandro Toledo (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Former Peruvian president Alejandro Toledo (pictured) is sentenced to twenty years and six months in prison for receiving bribes from Brazilian engineering conglomerate Odebrecht in the Operation Car Wash. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Former Peruvian president Alejandro Toledo (pictured) is sentenced to twenty years and six months in prison for receiving bribes during Operation Car Wash.
News source(s): Reuters
Credits:

• Nominated by ArionStar (talk · give credit)

ArionStar (talk) 02:09, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support in principle, but oppose on quality due to several completely unsourced paragraphs. Operation Car Wash was a major case of gov't corruption and this is the clear point of closure on that. --Masem (t) 02:26, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose for now due to CN tags, but strong support in principle. Major case of criminal activity on a top political level politician that is making worldwide headlines. Should I have time, I'll try to find sources to fill in the CN tags. INeedSupport ^:3 18:34, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

(Closed) Largest known prime

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Article: Largest known prime number (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ An online volunteer project discovers a new largest known prime number, 2^136,279,841 − 1. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ A new largest known prime number, 2^136,279,841 − 1, is discovered.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Researchers discover that the number 2^136,279,841 − 1 is prime, the largest such number found to date.
Credits:

• Nominated by Schoen (talk · give credit)

I was involved in the prize part of this at EFF in the past, so I've kept following it. The discovery isn't useful for anything, and it's not particularly surprising, but it's also a mathematical accomplishment of humanity, in a sense. These discoveries happen every few years and I think Wikipedia has highlighted them once or twice in the past. I continue to hope for ITN coverage of math stuff, whether it be new theorems or simply new large computations like this. Schoen (talk) 21:59, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support. Major advancement that doesn't happen every year. High encyclopedic value. 104.171.53.110 (talk) 22:05, 21 October 2024 (UTC) (formerly known as ~AH1)
• Support in Principle - doesn't happen all the time and can diversify our feed on ITN. Provisional oppose based on quality, several unsourced statements, though it's otherwise a WP:B-CLASS article. — Knightoftheswords 22:15, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose due to quality Article needs some ref work done. Would support once issues are fixed. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 22:19, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
• Is this "in the news" though? I don't know where this is being reported in news sources. I found information about it here: [3], but that is just a press release. Natg 19 (talk) 22:19, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
  • A quick search shows mainstream sources discussing the 2018 largest prime discovery, so I think this is where it will take a good 24 hr before it shows up in news sources. — Masem (t) 22:41, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

This is fair. I did not want to hastily oppose for this reason. Natg 19 (talk) 22:43, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

Will probably be a front page splash.... Martinevans123 (talk) 14:18, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose per Natg, and also because this is a routine occurrence - it's already known that there are infinitely many primes, and identifying specific large ones is simply a matter of patience and brute force. Unless this own has some interesting properties (beyond being a Mersenne Prime), I don't think this is particularly exciting. GenevieveDEon (talk) 22:28, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose I personally love this kind of stuff, but it's something we expect to happen from time to time, and it's therefore not a significant news event. HiLo48 (talk) 22:44, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

  ITN covers expected events all the time, e.g. elections and sports events. On the other hand, nobody knows exactly when the next largest prime number will be found (if at all – one day we'll find the last one we're ever going to find). AVDLCZ (talk) 02:55, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Wait for news coverage. If organizations cover it, support altblurb2. Notable discovery, and the first in 6 years. Article looks alright. -insert valid name here- (talk) 22:57, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

Support it is a very significant event in terms of the advancement of mathematics. Rager7 (talk) 00:09, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose. Besides being interesting and an impressive discovery from a process perspective, I don't see the real impact and significance of this dicsovery. DarkSide830 (talk) 00:24, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose. This is the fifth time a new highest prime number has been found since 2013. If it was less frequent I'd consider it more notable. ~~ Jessintime (talk) 02:23, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Support if news sources pick this up. New largest known prime number after almost 6 years is certainly not too routine for ITN. AVDLCZ (talk) 02:48, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose DYK candidate This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 07:19, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support mathematical discoveries are quite rare. Abcmaxx (talk) 07:20, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose. As far as I can tell, there's no peer-reviewed paper describing this discovery, so all we have is a press release from the team running the search. A paper is required. Also, there's no mainstream media coverage (yet?) and the article updates are just a few numbers updated and an entry in the table. If this was a significant piece of mathematics there should be more to say about it than that. At present it seems to be a mere curio or piece of trivia. DYK would be a better venue than ITN, if the was a suitable new article or expansion of the list. Modest Genius ^talk 10:46, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose, it happens too often, like six times in last ~10 years, though the recent gap was a bit longer. Also, the target article is kind of general. --Tone 11:01, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose. As others have noted, the result is unpublished and there has been virtually no news coverage. Moreover, the result has no mathematical significance (there are infinitely many primes), and no prospective practical applications in the foreseeable future. Prime numbers are used in cryptography, particularly for the RSA cryptosystem, but the ones that have practical use are much much smaller in bit size than this new one. Nsk92 (talk) 12:44, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
• Strong Oppose - A prime prerequisite for any nomination on ITN is the existence of news coverage. The apparent paucity of non-primary reliable sources in the proposed nom fares very poorly for this post's prospects. _{Duly signed,} ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 13:54, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
• Weak oppose (with free next-day delivery) Is that number close to Jeff Bezos' latest salary?? Martinevans123 (talk) 14:02, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

  "The real measure of your wealth is how much you’d be worth if you lost all your money."

  - Unknown source _{(Disclosure: This post was created with the aid of ChatGPT o1-mini) Duly signed,} ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 14:13, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose "Man does maths on computer". This is news? The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 15:29, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

  Actually found by CHIMPS, it seems. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:34, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

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RD: Paul Di'Anno

Article: Paul Di'Anno (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): New York Daily News,BBC
Credits:

• Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Cambalachero (talk · give credit), Sunshineisles2 (talk · give credit) and FMSky (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

English heavy metal singer .Needs some work.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 18:45, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

2024 ICC Women's T20 World Cup final

Article: 2024 ICC Women's T20 World Cup final (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In cricket, the Women's T20 World Cup concludes with New Zealand defeating South Africa in the final (player of the final Amelia Kerr pictured). (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In cricket, New Zealand wins their maiden Women's T20 World Cup title after defeating South Africa in the final (player of the final Amelia Kerr pictured).
Credits:

• Nominated by Vestrian24Bio (talk · give credit)
• Updated by PEditorS10 (talk · give credit), Kumarpramit (talk · give credit), MNWiki845 (talk · give credit), Vestrian24Bio (talk · give credit) and Goodknowme (talk · give credit)

Article updated

We have both Men's and Women's ODI WC at the ITN/R and Men's T20WC as well. Given it had same sort of notability Women's T20WC should be included in the ITN/R as well. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 16:53, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose on quality a short paragraph on each innings isn't enough to meet WP:ITNQUALITY. If quality is fixed, consider this a support vote on notability. Joseph2302 (talk) 18:11, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Non-ITN sports (of which there are far too many; IMO there should one (1), the World Cup final) . Not global news. Let's not clog up the front page with more needless sports trivia This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 07:21, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose. I applaud the drive for better gender equality in sport, and cricket has made big strides in that over recent years. However women's T20I gets a small fraction of the attention that men's T20I does, even more so than the contrast in ODIs. That applies in terms of media coverage, TV audience, in-person spectators, prize money, number of teams etc. For a stark illustration, compare Google searches for 'T20 world cup" in June, when the men's event occurred, vs October when the women's was happening [4]. FWIW, I supported adding the women's ODI world cup to ITNR - that continues to be the highest profile event in women's cricket. If we were to add a second women's cricket item I think the Women's Premier League has a better claim than the WT20 World Cup, though is very new so difficult to assess. Modest Genius ^talk 16:09, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) 2024 Moldovan European Union membership referendum

Article: 2024 Moldovan European Union membership referendum (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Moldova votes to amend the constitution to include the aim of becoming a future EU member. (Post)
News source(s): Reuters
Credits:

• Created and nominated by BastianMAT (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Borgenland (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Moldovans have voted to include the EU membership in the constitution, although this doesn’t mean they become EU member tomorrow, its significant. Important to note in the blurb that the yes vote doesn’t mean EU membership but the constitution being amended to aim for it. BastianMAT (talk) 06:03, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose: I see your point about the significance, but I think until Moldova actually joins the EU, it's not suitable for ITN. APK hi :-) (talk) 06:58, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose - Country deciding whether to begin joining the EU is not notable in of itself, when/if Moldova actually joins (long way away due to Transnistria issue) then we can post PrecariousWorlds (talk) 07:30, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

Don't forget Gaguazia who have already said they'd go the way of Transnistria...and after the incumbent's repression, it seems more likely.2A00:F3C:A282:0:EC70:31F1:7740:DC70 (talk) 09:52, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

If some crisis happens with Gaguazia like in 1991 then that's obviously notable but right now there's no indication of this happening PrecariousWorlds (talk) 17:52, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

Are we sure Transnistria is going to remain as their role model in the future? [5] Super Ψ Dro 23:50, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose "Country changes constitution to say they'd like to join a political union". Not really headline news. If they ever join, that's a different matter but just expressing a desire to join is no different from the UK saying they'd like to "reset" their relationship with the EU. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 08:24, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

The UK isn't in the Russian sphere on influence. It's very different. Secretlondon (talk) 08:28, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

Try telling Dawn Sturgess that. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:39, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

The UK doesn't have a part of it's country de facto occupied by Russia nor is it that close. Abcmaxx (talk) 10:57, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

Agree. So, in this context, a change to the country's constitution might be seen as far more significant. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:00, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

I dunno, tell that to all the oligarchs with pied a terres in central London... --Slowking Man (talk) 17:30, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support I'm baffled how anyone can oppose this; we sure posted UK's Brexit referendum how is this any different? Russia wasn't carving up Europe and threatening NATO back then either, at least not to such an extent. Abcmaxx (talk) 08:57, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

Since they chose to leave. A decision that was in their hands. Moldova admission in the EU is not in their hands. Baffling how that is not clear. Posting this is like posting any referendum from any state. Ergo, clearly oppose.2A00:F3C:A282:0:EC70:31F1:7740:DC70 (talk) 09:48, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

And they can choose to join too. They can choose to meet all the criteria and work with the EU and be a part of it. Life changes significantly for the whole country and its population with such a decision. Abcmaxx (talk) 10:56, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

If it were the case that the EU said to Moldova, "you can join but only after you amend your constitution to allow that, and then you'd be in", then that would be the reason to post. However, no process has been started at the EU side for the joining. There's a major step to accept their request to join. — Masem (t) 11:59, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

A democratic mandate is a major step in joining though, no country has so far joined the EU where the majority of people did not favour it as far as I'm aware, and most candidate nations did hold some kind democratic exercise to get approval for joining from the wider public. Abcmaxx (talk) 13:01, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

" A slim majority of 50.39% voted "yes" in Moldova's crunch referendum on European Union accession... " per the linked article. Also, this is only an indication that the country will want to be in the EU in its constitution, it doesn't initiate at processes with the EU yet. The country will still have to formally apply, and the EU formally approve. Masem (t) 13:28, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support, both referendums and constitutional changes seem reasonable ITN news features, bars such as joining the EU are unworkably high-impact events. Article seems well-referenced. CMD (talk) 09:34, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

So a vote in Moldova is going to get them into the EU when? Do they get to decide so?2A00:F3C:A282:0:EC70:31F1:7740:DC70 (talk) 09:49, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

I don't understand how this is related to my comment. CMD (talk) 09:50, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support Seems newsworthy. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:40, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support - Very like the Brexit referendum (but facing the other way) - this provides a clear statement of national intent with a verifiable source, on a subject which may take a very long time to come to maturity. Waiting for EU accession isn't sensible; this is the story right now. (I don't believe that either constitutional amendments or national referendums should automatically be posted to ITN, but they definitely deserve serious consideration, and this one clears the bar for me.) GenevieveDEon (talk) 10:25, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Because this action needs agreement by the EU body before joining can actually happen, this is far too soon to post. Comparison to Brexit is bad because there, the only action that needed to be taken was the vote by the people to withdraw from the EU, no EU action was necessary as a second step to allow for them to leave. --Masem (t) 12:01, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

The EU did need to undertake actions in order to facilitate Brexit, the UK didn't just take off and leave, it was/still is an incredibly slow and complex process. Abcmaxx (talk) 13:03, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

errrrmm.... was it ever properly finished?? Martinevans123 (talk) 13:10, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

The vote by the UK ppl was the point of no return. While there is formal steps required to have an agreement between the EU and UK on leaving, no action the EU would have stopped it, at worst, the EU/UK could have ended without any formal agreement post brexit in place. In this case, the EU must still formally approve the membership, so there is at least one more step thst will be ITN worthy, and we usually wait until that point of no return to post stories like this. Masem (t) 13:21, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

There is a point of return, the UK can apply to rejoin at any moment. The same way if Moldova approves this constitutional change it can unapprove such a decision in another referendum should it wish to do so at a later date. Brexit shows you can join or leave if a country wishes to do so, however neither is immediate nor permanent. Abcmaxx (talk) 14:29, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

This is completely untrue. The Brexit referendum was indicative rather than binding. The point of no return was the invocation of Article 50 in 2017. Similarly, this provision in Moldova is permissive rather than definitive - only an invitation from the EU and its subsequent acceptance would be binding. But like the Brexit referendum itself, this (quite narrowly) indicates a national direction of travel and sets a national and international policy agenda. And so I consider it highly newsworthy for the same reason. GenevieveDEon (talk) 15:01, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

Support- in the news, covered by NYT, CNN, The Kyiv Independent, Politico, The Guardian, WaPo, Le Monde, among others; many of those sites having multiple articles on the topic. Very clearly in the news. Abusing WP:CRYSTAL just opens the floodgates for not having anything on ITN, since you could argue that nothing can be posted since there's a chance that nothing will happen. IMHO, even if Moldova doesn't join the EU, this is still a big step and notable contemporary news story with a decent article that can be highlighted on the main page and interest readers searching for the topic or who are unaware. It would be better for us to have posted on ITN the results of this referendum even if Moldova doesn't join the EU than for us to have not posted it if Moldova did actually formally join.

Also totally agree with the folks making Brexit comparisons; you could have easily argued that we didn't know if Brexit was going to amount to anything as well (look at how convoluted and drawn out the actual leave process was). More evidence of the decline of grounded quality measures on this part of the MP over the past decade. — Knightoftheswords 12:52, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

Support very newsworthy, especially with the Pro-Russian camp openly cheating, and still losing. Scuba 13:12, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support With every nomination we see blanket opposition to posting just about any news. This is getting ridiculous. What's the point of ITN? We have a decent article, it's a national-level, constitutional referendum. It's in the news. I actually fail to understand what credible argument could possibly be against including this. If and when they ultimately join us utterly irrelevant. AusLondonder (talk) 13:22, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support This constitutional amendment is not only a change in the wording of Moldova's Carta Magna, but the submission of future governments to Europeanist aspirations and the elevation of these aspirations to a question of State in a country constantly threatened by Putin lately, which has a conflictive region on its borders (Transnistria) and which in recent years has aspired as never before to become part of the European bloc. Whether or not it finally joins the EU, which will not be possible in the short or medium term, is not decisive for the notoriety of this referendum. The article is in good condition, it is a news that opens covers in the international news sections and it is a historic result at regional level and important for other countries such as Georgia, Armenia or Bosnia. _-_Alsor (talk) 13:48, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support for most of the world, referendums are not a common event. Banedon (talk) 14:06, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support I sympathize with the gist of the oppose argument, and I actually agree that there is nothing inherently notable about a referendum of this sort. In this specific case, however, there is a higher degree of news coverage and notability because of the realpolitik and geopolitical implications of Moldova specifically gravitating towards western influence. Moldova is a former SSR. This move could have ramifications for Russian foreign policy towards the rest of Eastern Europe beyond Ukraine - and so, the news is covering it, as should we. Flip^andFlopped ツ 16:30, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support This is a pro-Western result in a country that experiences a lot of Russian influence & it’s being covered in a lot of reliable sources. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 17:32, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

So wiki is a langley propaganda outlet?2A00:F3C:A282:0:E9:3397:700C:5AD1 (talk) 14:28, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

• I think I am swayed by the arguments in support: just think it's important the blurb doesn't mislead readers (many who will read only the blurb that's it) and is clear this isn't the Official Formal Important Big-Time Start to a formal process, but essentially a statement of aspiration. Also whew, given that vote tally I think "narrowly vote" is definitely called for here. When you're reporting a 50% tally with two decimal places, for a two-option ballot question, that's about as close as elections get. Again, here I think not conveying that information of "very close result" in blurb has potential to mislead—it is very very well-known in journalism that often the majority of people only read headlines, so be certain to put anything you for-sure-no-joke want conveyed, in that headline. Also also, E. Europe topics are ah one of those Controversial Topic Areas w/ plenty of WP history around them so more eyes watching such areas when they show up on Main always good (are there any sanctions currently affecting this, asking for self and general awareness) --Slowking Man (talk) 17:45, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support clearly in the news and significant enough. Joseph2302 (talk) 18:09, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Moldova was already accepted as a candidate for EU membership and so this event doesn't change much. It's mostly internal politics, trying to lock in the current trajectory. If the opposition parties were to take power then this constitutional amendment still couldn't force them to continue the process of membership against their will. Andrew🐉(talk) 18:15, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

  Turkey has been an official candidate since 1999 and started applying as far back as 1959 yet they haven't taken any steps towards membership such as a popular vote. Abcmaxx (talk) 18:43, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

  yes, they have -- see 2010 Turkish constitutional referendum. It doesn't appear that that was posted at ITN. And, despite it being passed, Turkey is still not a member. Andrew🐉(talk) 19:02, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

  Remember what you were doing fourteen years ago? I hope part of that time was spent participating in that key ITN/C discussion on the 2010 Turkish constitutional referendum, whose outcome the users back then knew damn well would establish an earth-shattering, long-standing precedence for what to post on ITN for many, many years to come. _{Duly signed,} ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 19:20, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

  I was going by the article's talk page, which doesn't have an ITN notice. But checking further, I find that the Turkish referendum was posted at ITN -- see Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates/September 2010#Turkish constitutional referendum, 2010. But here we are 14 years later and Turkey is still not a member. Myself, I was otherwise engaged, creating Alison Wolf, Baroness Wolf of Dulwich. Andrew🐉(talk) 19:33, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

  I'm sure Alison will be eternally grateful. Looking forward to posting "Turkey joins the EU", when it happens (wolves permitting, of course). Martinevans123 (talk) 21:28, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

Support Regardless of the outcome, it is notable in European and Moldovan politics and history. If Moldova succeeds in joining then it would be a new addition to the EU membership. If it fails, then it starts the precedent of Moldova attempts of joining the European Union. Rager7 (talk) 21:31, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

No, it hasn't started anything. See Accession of Moldova to the European Union. That started with an application in 2022 and formal negotiations started in June 2024. There are six structural reforms required by the EU. Changing the constitution isn't one of them. Andrew🐉(talk) 22:42, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support key referendum that, had it failed, could have unexpectedly shaken the legitimacy of the current government that had been doing well in the polls. Moldova is a country widely described by international observers as between the West and Russia. This was an important event in regional geopolitics. I find the following quote related to the latter interesting: "Georgia is watching Moldova and if the West fails in Chișinău, Tbilisi is next" [Georgia is having a parliamentary election this Saturday]. The referendum is even more notable with the allegations of Russian interference. And lastly I think it's just interesting that the vote ended with such a narrow result, which challenged all expectations and had an insanely uncertain counting up until the last moments. Super Ψ Dro 23:28, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

Based on my last point, and agreeing with much of what Slowking Man said, I think we should reflect how close the vote was in the blurb. It could be enough to simply add "narrowly" before "votes". Even the narrow victory has implications for the current government as an overwhelming victory was widely expected. BastianMAT, what do you think? Super Ψ Dro 23:48, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

You certainly make a good point, I added an alt blurb with the word narrowly now, but it is up to the community to decide as the most important is that we convey the result of the referendum: that a constitutional amendment will be made. BastianMAT (talk) 14:42, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

• Posted Stephen 02:00, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose and pull per APK, Precarious Worlds and others above. Not remotely a significant story for ITN. If and when they join, that's when we'd post this.  — Amakuru (talk) 08:17, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

  There's clear consensus to post. ITN is for profiling articles in the news. A national constitutional referendum with a good article. That's perfect for ITN. AusLondonder (talk) 08:52, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

If you count votes, you don't count votes, the merits of the arguements matter. Like that one above who said it is "pro-western against russia".2A00:F3C:A282:0:E9:3397:700C:5AD1 (talk) 14:29, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Well, Russia didn't want it to happen. And when it did happen, they tried their best to steal the result. So if the extra tiny bit of publicity on the Main page here means we're "anti-Russian", so be it. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:47, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

• Pull - Amakuru's rationale has swayed me, I believe this posting was too premature. _{Duly signed,} ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 17:23, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
• Pull Moldova is in the screening phase of the negotiating process of joining the EU, so this constitutional amendment isn’t really a major shift in country’s politics. It’s just a nominal confirmation of what the current government has been doing over the past few years.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 20:18, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
• Post-posting support - Very significant national referendum, especially with the ongoing Russian terrorist activity in part of the country and misinformation. And besides, as noted above, the precedent was set for a similar vote that was done in Turkey. Nfitz (talk) 02:17, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
• Pull. I have just seen this discussion now that it's been posted to the main page, and it's hard to understand how. This is at best too soon. If the Gambia held a referendum to amend its constitution and make a goal of building a suspension bridge on Jupiter, hopefully we wouldn't post that to the front page before they even leave Earth's orbit. The linked Reuters article says this is also part of the Moldovan presidential elections, there's still a runoff in a couple weeks between a "pro-EU" and "pro-Russia" candidate. As Kiril Simeonovski says the amendment is a continuation of policy under the current government, plans for accession did not start due to the referendum. Rate of progress on accession would likely be determined more so by the outcome of the runoff than the amendment itself. NICHOLAS NEEDLEHAM (talk) 12:32, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

  So if Alexandr Stoianoglo gets in, we'll just see another referendum to change the constitution back again? Martinevans123 (talk) 12:41, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

  You'd have to ask him yourself, but the article states he "boycotted Sunday's referendum, calling it a ruse to boost Sandu's re-election bid." It's a safe bet that the significance of the referendum might be interpreted differently depending on the winner of the runoff. So I'm really not sure how this story has been put on the main page. If/when Moldova becomes an EU member, that's definitely noteworthy news for the main page, but currently it's a nothingburger. NICHOLAS NEEDLEHAM (talk) 14:50, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

  I'll try and squeeze Alexandr in, before he gets bogged down in printing ballot papers. Maybe Europa Clipper could take a few snaps for those plucky Gambians? Martinevans123 (talk) 15:03, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose and pull per above. This is barely being covered by international media, it's buried somewhere in between BRICS and climate change impacting butterflies. Kcmastrpc (talk) 15:00, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

October 20

Portal:Current events/2024 October 20

October 20, 2024 (2024-10-20) (Sunday) Armed conflicts and attacks Israel–Hamas war Israeli invasion of the Gaza Strip October 2024 Beit Lahia attacks Hamas reports that the number of dead and missing following an Israeli bombardment of residential areas in northern Gaza yesterday increases to 87, becoming among the highest single-incident death tolls in the past few months and also prompting condemnation from the United Nations. (Reuters) Siege of Jabalia The Israel Defense Forces announce that Colonel Ehsan Daxa, the commander of the 401st Armored Brigade, was killed by an IED in Jabalia in northern Gaza, becoming one of the most senior officers to have been killed in the fighting in Gaza. (The Times of Israel) 2024 Iran–Israel conflict Israeli retaliation leak Two confidential U.S. intelligence documents are leaked to a pro-Iranian Telegram channel. The documents contain military assessments describing the detailed preparation of Israel's retaliatory attacks against Iran for striking Israel. (NPR) Israel–Hezbollah conflict 2024 Israeli invasion of Lebanon Israeli troops open fire on a truck belonging to the Lebanese Armed Forces near Hanine, killing three soldiers. Israel later issues a formal apology for the attack, stating that its forces mistakenly believed they were targeting a vehicle used by Hezbollah to transport rockets. (The Times of Israel) Sudanese civil war Battle of Khartoum, 2024 Sudan famine The Sudan Tribune reports disease outbreaks and starvation in Khartoum North, Sudan, as a military offensive and fighting continues in the city. (Sudan Tribune) Disasters and accidents 2024 Atlantic hurricane season Hurricane Oscar makes landfall in Cuba amid a national electrical blackout. (USA Today) At least two people are killed and 309 others are rescued in flash flooding in Roswell, New Mexico, United States. (The New York Times) (NBC News) Four people are killed when a helicopter crashes into a radio tower in Houston, Texas, United States. (ABC News) Politics and elections 2024 Moldovan presidential election, 2024 Moldovan European Union membership referendum Moldovans vote for a president and also vote in a referendum that would amend the constitution to include a commitment for Moldova to join the European Union. (Le Monde) The presidential election goes to a second-round between current president Maia Sandu and politician Alexandr Stoianoglo of the pro-Russian Party of Socialists. (BBC) The European Union referendum is narrowly approved by voters, with president Maia Sandu alleging foreign electoral intervention from Russia. (Reuters) Inauguration of Prabowo Subianto Prabowo Subianto and Gibran Rakabuming Raka are inaugurated as the 8th president and 14th vice president of Indonesia, respectively. (AP) (Reuters) Sports 2024 WNBA Finals In basketball, the New York Liberty defeat the Minnesota Lynx in 5 games to win their first WNBA championship. (CTV News)

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RD: Peter L. Nissen

Article: Peter L. Nissen (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Memorial
Credits:

• Nominated by Oceanh (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Norwegian aviator and businessperson, turned 100 in January. Life and career seems to be adequately sourced, some sources are offline. Oceanh (talk) 23:44, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

RD: Paul White, Baron Hanningfield

Article: Paul White, Baron Hanningfield (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

• Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Ravenpuff (talk · give credit), Jkaharper (talk · give credit) and The C of E (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

British politician and life peer.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 13:12, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

• Unsuitable at the moment, has entire unsourced section (Lobbying for rural communities) and cn tags. Some sentences are unsourced in the section about his false expenses claims and imprisonment. AusLondonder (talk) 13:35, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose needs serious source work. Scuba 14:55, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
Support Citations added, article in good shape. Scuba 15:14, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Support I think I have added sources to cover the issues raised by @Scu ba: and removed some of the PROMO barrister references so it should be OK now. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 15:12, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

RD: Fethullah Gülen

Article: Fethullah Gülen (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ReutersWashington Post
Credits:

• Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)
• Updated by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Turkish Muslim scholar. Article says died on Sunday.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 06:47, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support on notability. Shadow4dark (talk) 08:54, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

Could one argue that this deserves a blurb? Not sure myself. QueensanditsCrazy (talk) 12:41, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support RD, oppose blurb all the 2016 allegations remain that, allegations. Scuba 13:43, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

• I think he is well-known in TR, and not that much outside of it, not someone I'd immediately think of as "oh yeah obvious RD blurb", but I'm plenty willing to listen to contrary arguments Slowking Man (talk) 17:50, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support RD Major figure in Turkey in past decade.--A bit iffy (talk) 20:24, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
• Orange-tagged for need of a "cleanup rewrite". --205.189.58.84 (talk) 00:37, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

  Kakurokuna tagged it in 2017 with the edit summary "starts strong but then really tapers off."[6] It needs to be resolved or make an editorial decisio to remove the tag if it's no longer applicable. —Bagumba (talk) 05:44, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

  I've removed the tag upon reading the article in its current state. Thanks for tagging me. Kakurokuna (talk) 08:51, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

• Hold RD for quality reasons. Oppose blurb - not a serving political leader. OLDMANDIES. This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 07:22, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

(Closed) 2024 Indonesian general election

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Article: 2024 Indonesian general election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Prabowo Subianto is elected President of Indonesia (Post)
News source(s): al-Jazeera
Credits:

• Nominated by Abo Yemen (talk · give credit)

I am aware that this is more than a just a presidential election but in terms of notability, the Presidential one is the most notable one Abo Yemen✉ 15:51, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose: The election was already posted when it occurred. I don't believe we post inaugurations. Sunshineisles2 (talk) 16:27, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

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October 19

Portal:Current events/2024 October 19

October 19, 2024 (2024-10-19) (Saturday) Armed conflicts and attacks Israel–Hamas war Israeli invasion of the Gaza Strip October 2024 Beit Lahia attacks Hamas claims that at least 73 Palestinians were killed in Israeli strikes on Beit Lahia in the Gaza Strip, although the Israel Defence Forces dispute this claim. (Al Ahram) Refugee camp airstrikes in the Israel–Hamas war Israeli forces strike the Gaza Strip, killing at least 50 people, including at least 33 people in an airstrike on the Jabalia refugee camp. (NPR) (BBC News) Israel–Hezbollah conflict 2024 drone attack on Benjamin Netanyahu's residence Hezbollah launches around 200 drones and other projectiles from Lebanon toward locations in northern Israel, killing one person and injuring thirteen others. One of the targets is Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's house in the resort town of Caesarea. (Star Tribune) (AP) 2024 Israeli invasion of Lebanon Israeli strikes on a vehicle and an apartment building in Baaloul, Lebanon, and areas north of Beirut, Lebanon, kill seven people, including the mayor of the town of Sohmor. (Boston25 News) The Israel Defense Forces says that the Israeli Air Force killed Hezbollah's deputy commander Naser Abed al-Aziz Rashid in Bint Jbeil, Lebanon, yesterday. (The Washington Times) (The Jerusalem Post) Disasters and accidents Sapelo Island dock collapse At least seven people are killed and several others are reported missing when a dock collapses on Sapelo Island in Georgia, United States. (AP) Law and crime Protesters storm and damage the office of the Saudi-owned MBC TV channel in Baghdad, Iraq, after the channel aired a programme which called Hamas and Hezbollah leaders "terrorists". The Iraq Communications and Media Commission later suspends MBC's operations in Iraq in response to the incident. (New Arab) (Roya News) Three people are killed and eight others are injured in a mass shooting when at least two gunmen opened fire on people at a school's football homecoming win celebration in near Lexington, Mississippi, United States. (AP) Science and technology Intelsat communications satellite Intelsat 33e breaks up in Earth's orbit, resulting in network disruptions to customers in Europe, Africa and parts of the Asia-Pacific region. The United States Space Force says they are tracking at least "20 associated pieces" of the satellite. (BBC News)

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RD: Thelma Mothershed-Wair

Article: Thelma Mothershed-Wair (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): AP News
Credits:

• Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:1813:3939:3F14:36B (talk · give credit)
• Updated by CAWylie (talk · give credit) and Strattonsmith (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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American activist and member of Little Rock Nine. 240F:7A:6253:1:1813:3939:3F14:36B (talk) 13:59, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose no infobox, Early life uncited, wikipedia article is only reference in Little Rock Nine. Scuba 17:14, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

RD: Michel Klein (veterinarian)

Article: Michel Klein (veterinarian) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Le Monde
Credits:

• Nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)
• Updated by ForsythiaJo (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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French veterinarian and animal rights activist often seen on television. Needs expansion. Thriley (talk) 17:22, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose. The stubbiest of the stubs. DarkSide830 (talk) 17:55, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
• Comment He was 103. InedibleHulk (talk) 21:13, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

and? does that mean he should be posted? I don't know what the point of this comment is. Natg 19 (talk) 03:49, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

Support. He was the French counterpart to David Attenborough or Marlin Perkins. They where celebrities and TV icons of their time, and influenced generations of people for animal welfare, zoology and conservation with a lasting legacy. Just because he survived 20+ more years and amlost nobody under 30 remembers him is no reason to disregard him. 47.67.225.78 (talk) 12:34, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose since article is currently a stub. 🔥Jalapeño🔥 contribs 14:32, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

Support article has been expanded since the nomination was originally posted… it’s not a huge article but it’s of reasonable quality. RachelTensions (talk) 17:14, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

It's still a stub though, it hasn't really been expanded. 🔥Jalapeño🔥 contribs 07:31, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

When first nominated this article was about 6 words long, so yes it has been significantly expanded. RD criteria isn’t looking for a perfect article, a short article of decent quality and sourcing is just fine. RachelTensions (talk) 12:32, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose not only is it a stub, with only 1 notable reliable reference it fails WP:BIO citation guidelines. Scuba 17:16, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

Well this is just patently untrue. The sources cited in the article are from BFM TV (France's largest news channel), Le Monde (a French newspaper of record), Le Parisien (another large French newspaper), Le Point Vétérinaire (a widely regarded French veterinary industry publication), and Canadian Veterinary Journal (a peer-reviewed scientific journal). Almost every statement in the article is sourced and all sources easily meet WP:RS. RachelTensions (talk) 19:04, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

Agreed. It is notable that the "support" arguments are about the topic, while the "opposition" just argues about the lenght of the article, as if that relies to the noteworthyness of the news of his death. 47.67.225.78 (talk) 08:51, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

• It is important to note that when people support or oppose a nomination at ITN, it is not based on importance because anybody with a Wikipedia article is notable enough to be featured on RD. However, ITN has quality standards for what gets posted, which include sourcing and length. Hope that explains why people are currently opposing the nomination. ❤HistoryTheorist❤ 23:40, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

• Comment The article is no longer a stub at 1868 characters. Thriley (talk) 19:30, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

2024 America's Cup

Article: 2024 America's Cup (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Team New Zealand wins the America's Cup yacht racing competition for a third time in succession. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Team New Zealand wins the America's Cup yacht racing competition for a third time in succession by defeating the Royal Yacht Squadron.
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:

• Nominated by Schwede66 (talk · give credit)

Article needs updating
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

The article needs some TLC and I hope that somebody can attend to it; personally, sailing doesn't spin my wheels. Schwede66 01:26, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

• Comment: The event is known and branded as the 37th America's Cup. JoltColaOfEvil (talk) 22:08, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Needs major update; lots about qualifying, background, challengers, but very little about the cup races themselves and no aftermath or results sections, nothing about the coverage of the event. Abcmaxx (talk) 22:18, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
• Not ready. Unfortunately I agree with Abcmaxx - this needs to be updated. The 'cup match' section - i.e. the actual event - has just two sentences of prose, and those are in future tense! Needs a couple of referenced paragraphs explaining what happened during each stage, the final outcome etc. Modest Genius ^talk 11:06, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
• Wait the actual target, the cup match, has yet to be included in the article. Scuba 17:17, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
• Comment For reference, see the previous 2021 America's Cup § Cup match (more text after table)—Bagumba (talk) 05:54, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality and suggest that there are far too many ITN sports. The Americas Cup, prestigious as it may be among sailors, is not world news. This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 07:28, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

  @Orbitalbuzzsaw: This is not the venue to debate changes to WP:ITN/R. —Bagumba (talk) 15:28, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

(Closed) Yemeni civil war (2014–present)

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Article: Yemeni civil war (2014–present) (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.cfr.org/index.php/global-conflict-tracker/conflict/war-yemen, Various
Credits:

• Nominated by Wafflefrites (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Wafflefrites (talk) 20:58, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

• Comment — Are you seeking to add the Yemeni civil war to ongoing? If so, you will need to provide continuous and significant coverage. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 21:12, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

Comment assuming this meant ongoing it would be difficult to keep up to date and keep there considering the challenge of reliable information about it 27.96.223.193 (talk) 22:50, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support in principle but oppose on quality This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 23:59, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose This is a very slow event, with the pages showing far less than expected of close-to-daily updates to merit a slot in ongoing. It needs to be something that has news coverage nearly every day and stays updated to reflect that. --Masem (t) 00:30, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose per Masem. Bitspectator ⛩️ 00:58, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose only 5 edits to the article the article this month and most of them are just fixing typos. Looking through the first page of edits that date back to June I don't see a single substantial edit that has added any new newsworthy events... "ongoing" would suggest that there are frequent newsworthy events, so frequent that they'd otherwise overwhelm ITN if not for the fact that they'd already be covered by the topic's "ongoing" placement. RachelTensions (talk) 01:05, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support the idea, oppose in practice Yes the war in Yemen is just as relevant and valid as the war in Sudan or in Israel, however, almost nobody is editing it, and there really hasn't been any significant development coinciding with it's nomination. Scuba 04:33, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose there has been an ongoing truce since 2021 2022. There have been no new battles as far as I am aware Abo Yemen✉ 11:08, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

@Abo Yemen: Shouldn't the article make this clear then and even be called Yemeni civil war (2014–2021) if its now only a low-level insurgency? Abcmaxx (talk) 22:25, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

The article does mention the truce, but that doesn't mean the war is completely over as the truce is between the houthis and the internationally recognized govt but not the other factions like al-qaeda, for example Abo Yemen✉ 04:42, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support notability but oppose on quality The article does not make it clear how intense the fighting is currently, does not show if anything has happened since 2021, and if Abo Yemen's comment above is true then the article should really make this clear. Background and introduction of a complex geopolitical situation is welcome, but the article really does not describe much of the actual war itself. Abcmaxx (talk) 22:25, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

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October 18

Portal:Current events/2024 October 18

October 18, 2024 (2024-10-18) (Friday) Armed conflicts and attacks Israel–Hamas war Killing of Yahya Sinwar Hamas confirms that its leader, Yahya Sinwar, was killed in action during a shootout with Israeli soldiers two days ago in Rafah, Gaza Strip, Palestine. (Al Jazeera) 2024 Neot HaKikar shooting Two gunmen entering Israel from Jordan are killed in a shootout with border guards near the Dead Sea. (Al Jazeera) Disasters and accidents 2024 Cuba blackout A nationwide power outage occurs in Cuba following a critical failure at the Antonio Guiteras power station in Puerto Padre, Las Tunas Province. (CNN) International relations Russian invasion of Ukraine Foreign involvement in the Russian invasion of Ukraine, North Korea–Ukraine relations The South Korean National Intelligence Service says that North Korea has started sending troops to fight with Russia in Ukraine. South Korean President Yoon Suk Yeol calls for a security meeting and says the international community must respond with "all available means". (BBC) Swiss neutrality Switzerland joins the European Sky Shield Initiative to contribute to building a pan-European air and missile defense system, while also allowing the nation to train and purchase military systems with other European nations. (Reuters) Western Sahara conflict Morocco rejects a proposal put forward by the UN envoy for Western Sahara Staffan de Mistura that would partition Western Sahara with the northern part being annexed by Morocco and the southern part forming an independent state controlled by the Polisario Front. (Atalayar) Law and crime Four people, including the gunman, are killed in a school shooting in Heliópolis, Bahia, Brazil. (CNN Brazil) Politics and elections Kenya's National Assembly unanimously approves Interior Secretary Kithure Kindiki as the new Deputy President following his nomination by President William Ruto. However, the High Court temporarily suspends the impeachment of former Deputy President Rigathi Gachagua in order to hear challenges. (AP) Clashes between protestors and police break out over demonstrations of arrested activists in Nasiriyah, Iraq. (CityNews)

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(Posted) RD: Rick Nolan

Article: Rick Nolan (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): AP
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Sunshineisles2 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Jkaharper (talk · give credit) and TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Former US Congressman. Sunshineisles2 (talk) 21:04, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support Article in good shape, fixed last cn tags. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 06:53, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

Support other than a few minor issues with prose the article looks good. Scuba 17:18, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

• Posted Stephen 22:11, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Ginés González García

Article: Ginés González García (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): La Nación, CNN
Credits:

• Nominated by Cambalachero (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Alsoriano97 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Minister of health of Argentina during the COVID-19 pandemic. Cambalachero (talk) 18:32, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

I'm working on this article, improving its content and sources. _-_Alsor (talk) 11:20, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

work done. _-_Alsor (talk) 18:33, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

Support Article looks decent, no glaring issues. Scuba 15:36, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

• Posted to RD. Spencer^T•C 02:54, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

(Closed) Internet Archive cyberattack

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Article: Internet Archive cyberattack (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Internet Archive suffered a DDoS attack that made its services unusable since October 9, compromising the data of 31 million users. (Post)
News source(s): Washington Post, NBC, Forbes,
Credits:

• Nominated by Ainty Painty (talk · give credit)
• Created by MountainDew20 (talk · give credit)

Ainty Painty (talk) 13:49, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

• This story was already nominated when it occurred, and rejected from ITN. Being over a week old makes it stale news, so even less likely to be posted. I recommend withdrawing this nomination. Modest Genius ^talk 14:09, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose and best withdrawn per above. Rejected, stale, and the page is in no shape to be posted anyway. Estreyeria (talk) 14:48, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose duplicate rejected and stale nom as per Modest Genius. GhostStalker (Got a present for ya! / Mission Log) 14:52, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

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October 17

Portal:Current events/2024 October 17

October 17, 2024 (2024-10-17) (Thursday) Armed conflicts and attacks Israel–Hamas war Killing of Yahya Sinwar The Israeli military announces that Yahya Sinwar, the de facto leader of Hamas and the mastermind of the October 7 attack, was killed along with two other militants in a shootout with Israeli forces in Rafah Governorate, Gaza. (AzerNews) (CNN) Attacks on schools during the Israeli invasion of Gaza An Israeli airstrike on a school sheltering displaced Palestinians in Jabalia, northern Gaza, kills 28 people, including at least five children. (Sky News) (Al Jazeera) Israel–Hezbollah conflict 2024 Israeli invasion of Lebanon Five Israeli soldiers from the Golani Brigade are killed in fighting with Hezbollah forces in southern Lebanon. IDF Spokesman Daniel Hagari says several Hezbollah operatives have been captured during the clashes. (The Times of Israel) Red Sea crisis 2024 missile strikes in Yemen U.S. B-2 Spirit stealth bombers carry out raids on underground bunkers used by the Houthis in Sanaa Governorate, Yemen. U.S. Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin says that five underground facilities were targeted in the strikes. (AP) Colombian conflict FARC dissidents open fire against a prison convoy in Cauca Department, Colombia, killing two prison guards and serial killer Manuel Octavio Bermúdez. Six others are wounded. (Infobae) Somali Civil War A suicide bombing at a restaurant in Mogadishu, Somalia, kills at least seven people and injures at least six others. Islamic terrorist group al-Shabaab claims responsibility for the attack. (AL24 News) (Daily Sabah) International relations South Africa–Taiwan relations The Government of South Africa orders Taiwan to relocate its representative office from the South African capital of Pretoria, allegedly due to pressure from China. (Focus Taiwan) Law and crime A court in Vietnam sentences tycoon Trương Mỹ Lan to life in prison for fraud, in addition to a death sentence that Lan received in April for embezzlement. (Radio Free Asia) A court in Bangladesh orders the arrest of former prime minister Sheikh Hasina and 45 others for crimes against humanity. Hasina is in exile in India. (AP) Politics and elections The Senate of Kenya convicts Deputy President Rigathi Gachagua on 5 out of 11 charges, thereby removing him from office. (BBC News)

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RD: Andrew Schally

Article: Andrew Schally (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times
Credits:

• Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:DC9A:82E2:FE53:A327 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Jkaharper (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Polish-American endocrinologist and Nobel laureate. 240F:7A:6253:1:DC9A:82E2:FE53:A327 (talk) 23:10, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

(Closed) Rigathi Gachagua impeachment

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Article: Rigathi Gachagua (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Kenyan Deputy President Rigathi Gachagua (pictured) is impeached in a landmark vote. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Rigathi Gachagua (pictured) is impeached as the deputy president of Kenya by the parliament.
Alternative blurb II: ​ In Kenya, deputy president Rigathi Gachagua (pictured) is impeached by the parliament.
News source(s): france 24
Credits:

• Nominated by Sportsnut24 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by MAL MALDIVE (talk · give credit)

Article needs updating

Somewhat of a long shot as he was the deputy, but it is pretty high and a notable first.Sportsnut24 (talk) 05:10, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support Seems fine. MAL MALDIVE (talk) 08:55, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
• There probably should be at least a paragraph or more explaining why he was impeached, not just that he was. There's no clear indication what brought the impeachment charges. --Masem (t) 11:30, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose. As far as I can tell, this is domestic politics with no broader impact, and the deputy president has few powers anyway. There's little coverage in international media. It's possible that I'm missing some wider significance, but if so it isn't explained in the article, this nomination or the France 24 article provided above. Modest Genius ^talk 14:15, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support notability, oppose on quality impeachments are rare and notable events, however, really there should be a comprehensive article called Impeachment of Rigathi Gachagua which outlines all the background, issues, causes, aftermath and reactions accordingly. Abcmaxx (talk) 16:22, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose per Modest Genius. It also seems like local news to me. It may have been notable if it was the president who was impeached. LiamKorda 17:26, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support Per abcmaxx Ion.want.uu (talk) 20:12, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose: Only the deputy president. C F A 💬 03:12, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose - not a head of state LocoTacoFever (talk) 21:40, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support notability, oppose on quality per Abcmaxx. I would also be satisfied with further expansion of the current target article in lieu of an independent article; either could work. Flip^andFlopped ツ 16:33, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

Soft oppose deputy president, not president. Unless I'm missing something this isn't really a major geopolitical event. Scuba 17:20, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

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(Posted) RD: Philip Zimbardo

Article: Philip Zimbardo (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Legacy
Credits:

• Nominated by TheCorriynial (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Philip Zimbardo died on 14th, but announced today. Philip Zimbardo, a psychologist conducted the now mostly discredited Stanford Prison Experiment in 1971 which at the time was studying the effect on situational variables on participants' reactions and behaviors. The experiment is now an example of what not to do in psychological studies. He's also been involved in several other studies in more recent years and is also a writer. TheCorriynial (talk) 23:56, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support The article seems fine. And his experiment sounds just like Wikipedia, showing "...the ease with which ordinary people could be led to engage in anti-social acts by putting them in situations where they felt anonymous, or they could perceive of others in ways that made them less than human, as enemies or objects..." Andrew🐉(talk) 08:27, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

  It's no fun in solitary... (you don't even get access to your bucket).Martinevans123 (talk) 08:40, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support: I have added/tweaked a couple of references. Good article and clearly notable subject. UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 08:35, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support Looks good. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:40, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support, as the article is well-sourced and notable. JohnAdams1800 (talk) 14:29, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support article seems all right to me. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 16:50, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose 30–40% of Philip Zimbardo § Works missing ISBN, ISSN, or some citation. A few even display "ISBN" with no subsequent ID.—Bagumba (talk) 04:41, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

  These details are not needed as there's an {{authority control}}. For example, the first entry is "Influencing attitude and changing behavior: A basic introduction to relevant methodology, theory, and applications (Topics in social psychology), Addison Wesley, 1969". This is already quite adequate but, if it should still be doubted then one can just uses the authority control to find an entry like this. The entry is quite uncontroversial and so does not require an extraordinary level of referencing. Andrew🐉(talk) 07:23, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

  Readers on mobile, which accounts for at at least half the viewers, dont see that, and it's anyways a WP:LINKFARM on where an item might actually be verified. ITN is as much a drive to get pages enhanced. If the info is, in fact, readily available, adding it should be straightforward, and an improvement. In any event, feel free to establish a wider consensus for a looser standard. —Bagumba (talk) 10:29, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

•  Posted. Clear ready with exception for the Works section, which has been updated (by me). No further reason to hold up the posting. – robertsky (talk) 01:29, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

RD: Mitzi Gaynor

Article: Mitzi Gaynor (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYTimes
Credits:

• Nominated by Staraction (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

American actress, singer, and dancer. Article likely needs more citation work. Staraction (talk | contribs) 21:48, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose article is barely cited, some of the CN tags are dated to 2012... that's bad. Scuba 21:59, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose article does need work as the nominator mentioned. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 16:51, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

RD: Toshiyuki Nishida

Article: Toshiyuki Nishida (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Japan Times
Credits:

• Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Japanese Actor.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 07:03, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

• Soft oppose Filmography missing sources, career is lacking prose. Scuba 21:57, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose unsourced honors and filmography. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 16:52, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

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