Talk:Marlborough College

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Unreferenced? What kind of references are you looking for? Most of this is personal knowledge. Perhaps you could direct us to a better example, please. Bearfoot 21:40, 13 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Personal knowledge is not what Wikipedia publishes. There are policies on verifiability and no original research. Sources should be independent and reliable. For an example of a good (featured) school article, see Plano Senior High School. Count the references. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 21:46, 13 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Incase anyone was wondering, Eugenie attends Marlborough while Emma attends the Dragon School. It's been a year since those "allegations" were made, and so I used some handy google searches to fix that :). ugen64 01:45, Jun 18, 2004 (UTC)

Christ's Hospital claims the largest unsupported roof in Europe! Bearfoot 18:01, 3 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Field Marshall Henry Maitland Wilson

I note Wilson is claimed both by Marlborough and by Eton. His entry in Dictionary of National Biography only gives Eton. Does some one have a source to check his attendance at Marlborough? -- Op. Deo 23:02, 4 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You are right. Someone has changed the reference. It was FM Henry Hughes Wilson (1864-1922) who was the OM. Bearfoot 15:59, 18 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I am trying to add some info about Ian and Kevin Maxwell (nothing litigious) however it gets deleted. Why have there not been biographies of these two business men.

Can anyone help me Quickly!

What Happened in 1853?

Allan Mallison has a lot to say about Henry Wilson in his new book '1914 - Fight the Good Fight'. When speaking of Wilson's time at Marlborough he speaks of the school's history. Apparently in 1853 something caused a riot that lasted 4 days. It was known as the 'Marlborough Revolt', and was only put down by masters sent over from Rugby by Thomas Arnold. Should there not be something about this in the article? Shades of 'If'.... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.25.46.76 (talk) 13:38, 24 November 2013 (UTC) If the revolt occurred in 1853, then that was 11 years after Thomas Arnold had died. Someone else must have sent the faculty posse. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 170.133.200.240 (talk) 17:06, 3 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I see the revolt mentioned in Thomas Arnold's wiki article, in which I have raised a citation need. I would seek other evidence for the existence and timing of the revolt - 1853 was before the lifetime of Wilson (born 1864) who would probably have only known of it from hearsay as a pupil, and we should allow for possibility of 1853 being an error if no sound source was quoted in the book's context. (Mention in published accounts by Wilson later in life might be unreliable if he got the year wrong in memory or it was misprinted by publisher - if published posthumously after his murder in 1922 he would not have been alive to challenge it.) By other evidence I mean mention in national/local newspapers at time, or mention in the school's own history or in books on public school life in general. Does Mallison's book cite a source for the anecdote?Cloptonson (talk) 08:26, 20 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

There is a mention of the Marlborough "Rebellion" (not Riot) in 1851 on the college website The First Fifty Years - Marlborough College History page

"The College reached its target of 500 boys by 1848, but conditions were extremely Spartan and, apart from their studies, the boys were relatively neglected. Resentment built up, culminating in November 1851 with the Marlborough “Rebellion”, as a result of which pupil numbers declined and the first Master of the College, Matthew Wilkinson, resigned. With the College now heavily in debt, its future was in jeopardy."

Dabbler (talk) 17:11, 20 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The Rugby connection is that the next two Masters were both from Rugby (Cotton and Bradley) bt they were not a commando force sent to put down the rebellion, merely appointed to the position of Master in succession after the first Master resigned. Dabbler (talk) 17:21, 20 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

In the 1893 book "Great public schools: Eton--Harrow--Charterhouse--Cheltenham--Rugby--Clifton--Westminster--Marlborough--Haileybury--Winchester" the chapter on Marlborough gives an exact date for the rioting.

Discipline slowly but steadily gave way. After three years of smouldering discontent, of poaching, flogging, fighting, and fiercely repressed insubordination, all authority finally broke down, and upon November 5. 1851, the school broke out in the most turbulent and prolonged rebellion that has probably ever figured in modern times in the history of a large school. For an entire week anarchy enlivened by fireworks and bonfires reigned supreme. The rioting was at last quelled, more by concessions than strong measures. Expulsions and removals followed...[1]

More details are in the book "From the Back Page to the Front Room" by Roger Domeneghetti.

At Marlborough College matters came to a head in 1851 when prior to Bonfire Night the headmaster M. Wilkinson warned that any pupil caught in possession of fireworks would be expelled. The pupils responded by advising him that he would have to expel the entire school and at 6pm on November 5th a rocket was launched signaling the beginning of a riot. Property was burned, the gatekeeper severely beaten and several teachers badly injured. Nursing their injuries they retreated, having decided to let the revolt see its course, which it did after four days. Wilkinson was forced to resign and was replaced...

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Pikabruce (talk • contribs) 20:14, 27 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Red-linked Old Marlburians

I have removed a number of old Marlburians from the list because they were red-linked and many have been for months. If they were that notable, they should have had a wiki article by now.Dabbler 20:55, 15 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with you that many of the names you removed were not especially notable. However others are considered notable enough to merit an entry in the DNB. Is the founder of Heals more notable than the founder of Debenhams? And I would certainly consider as notables: the man who has trained the winner of the Grand National, the Cheltenham Gold Cup and the Champion Hurdle, an Olympic sailing gold-medalist, and two former chairmen of FTSE100 companies. Could they not be included without red-links? Bearfoot 17:27, 4 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

If they are notable enough to be placed in this list, then they should have a non red-linked article in Wikipedia, otherwise anyone who went to Marlborough could claim to be notable enough to be listed. These names weren't put up one day and deleted the next, they were there for months and no one thought them notable enough to create an article about them. They should have at least a stub article about them in Wikipedia. If you think they are notable enough, why not create the articles describing their achievements and then link them here. I agree that there were a couple of names that I was slightly surprised to find were red-linked. Dabbler 17:59, 4 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

School

Why was Eugenie sent to this school? She was attending a day school. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.103.54.82 (talk) 13:56, 21 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Merged Cotton

I have merged the Cotton House article with the full article because I don't think it should have a separate article. dottydotdot (talk) 17:05, 23 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think that it is appropriate to have puff pieces on individual houses, I will remove this section unless someone can give any good reasons for this section to exist. Dabbler (talk) 15:11, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm fine with that, just thought something should be done with it. dottydotdot (talk) 20:27, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Marlborough slang

At this edit today, a new section on Marlborough slang (added by 86.146.37.153) was deleted. I feel it has some merit, and it even included a citation for the last point made. What do other people think about this? Moonraker2 (talk) 06:35, 6 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with the deletion. The citation was from a non-notable non-independent source. A quick check here and here suggest it would struggle to be considered in anyway notable and would fall foul of WP:INDISCRIMINATE at some point. The whole article, in common with many school articles, would be greatly improved by deleting more of it... names of houses and term dates have no place here. Lame Name (talk) 06:54, 6 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Well, the school slang isn't exactly essential to the article, for instance if there were a problem of space, which there isn't. Once it has been established that a subject is notable, which it clearly has been in this case, I suppose it depends on how good and comprehensive an account of the school we want to have. I can't agree with your comments on names of houses, Lame Name: in some schools, the house system can be a bit theoretical, but at a school like Marlborough the houses are the units which make up the school, both physically and socially. I do agree with you that "term dates have no place here", but the general description in the article of the names of the terms and the months they cover is, again, important information. No doubt it would be good to get it cited. Moonraker2 (talk) 04:07, 7 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Old Wykehamists, Old Radleians, etc. to become "Alumni of... "?

Please see the discussion at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2011 February 10#Former pupils by school in the United Kingdom. Moonraker2 (talk) 14:27, 10 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

There is a further discussion at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2012 May 9. Cjc13 (talk) 11:19, 10 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Contrary to the false impression given by the above statements the proposed change is not to use "alumni"; it is to rename the category Old Marlburians to Category:People educated at Marlborough College. Timrollpickering (talk) 12:58, 10 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Copyright violation - facilities section

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Victorian prison architecture.

" Victorian prison" is an interesting observation, but a claim like that needs a WP:RS. Can anyone help? --ClemRutter (talk) 11:21, 26 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]