Talk:Stan (song)

Not neutral

Whoever wrote this saying it has a haunting melody is not neutral and must be Eminems biggest fanboy/groupie ever. I dont think its haunting. NOT NPOV! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 204.17.26.4 (talk • contribs) .

You know, I would applaud your attention to NPOV, if it wasn't belied by your recent edits to ICP related articles, which amount to nothing more than POV vandalism. Please don't pretend to be a defender of Wikipedia until you bother to extend the same protection to topics you dislike. Kasreyn 09:09, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Note: I don't know why the people have so peeve with the fact someone don't be neutral, being that these same people would make the same, so what's your argue to say someone's wrong for don't be neutral? And neutral is an subjective term and is not a argue, but someone's opinion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 177.105.90.85 (talk) 20:55, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

"Haunting" isn't TOO nonobjective a term. The chorus is definitely somber, eerie, ominous. On a side note, I'm unimpressed with this article as a whole. Essays have been written on this song. It won "song of the year" award, or placed in the top 10, in MOST publications that year. Look at acclaimedmusic.net for some of this information. I know I glanced through a book recently (forget the title), that ranked the best songs of the last 10 years or so, and "Stan" was number one; there was a whole essay there detailing what a thoughtful song this was, how it played with multiple meanings, how it was really like a short story, how it brilliantly and succinctly analyzed the artist-fan relationship. ..... Now, Is it obvious from what I just wrote that I'm impartial to the song? YEAH, but there IS a lot to this song. It's more than just "the second single" from that Eminem album. There's a lot to be said about this song, and a lot of people HAVE said intelligent things about this song. Jeesh, the least you guys could have done is mention the Pet Shop Boys parody/response song. Or Eminem's mother's "Dear Marshall" response. 78.86.140.151 (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 02:08, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

What is that song they play at the begining of the track? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.41.101.22 (talk) 03:34, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Possible copyright infringement

This appears to contain most of the song: I suggest that this is substantially a copyright violation... User:194.51.2.34

Okay, I did think it might be a bit excessive myself. But I'm not sure that all of the explanation of the lyrics needs to go. I'll go and ask User:TUF-KAT about it, on his talk page. Hopefully we can all come to some sort of agreement on how much can stay in. -- Oliver P. 16:10, 22 Aug 2003 (UTC)

Edit history

Please note that the edit history of this article is scattered in several places. It began as part of the article at The Marshall Mathers LP, which was at the time entirely written by User:TUF-KAT. On 04 Dec 2002, he moved the content to Stan. On 15 Jun 2003, User:J.J. moved the content again to Stan (song), where it is now. -- Oliver P. 15:55, 22 Aug 2003 (UTC)

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Ignoring the chorus for a moment, first verse: 3.5 lines quoted out of 17 second verse: 10 lines quoted out of 27 third verse: 5 lines quoted out of 25 fourth verse: 11 lines quoted out of 27 Total: 29.5 lines quoted out of 96

I don't feel that this is "massive overquoting". Every line in my version was used to illustrate a facet of the song. The new version barely gives the gist of the story and doesn't contain anywhere's near the amount of useful information for readers who might not have understood something like the Phil Collins or Starter cap references. This version contains barely any description of the song's sound, tone or songwriting beyond that it is "haunting".

While the principle of fair use is ill-defined, copyrighted works can be quoted to illustrate a point for reporting or critical purposes. This article in no way functioned as a replacement for actually purchasing the song, and didn't detract from its value. As such, I will be largely reverting back to my version but will make some concessions and cut out a couple more lines. Tuyf-Kat

No way of sending out the tape (nitpick)

"At the end, Stan realizes he has no way of sending out the tape he is recording on, because his car will, presumably, explode or otherwise ruin the tape after he drives off the bridge."

The lyrics are, according to lyricsdepot.com:

Well, gotta go, I'm almost at the bridge now Oh shit, I forgot, how'm I supposed to send this shit out? {*car tires squeal*} {*CRASH*} .. {*brief silence*} .. {*LOUD splash*}

I've always interpreted this shit as meaning simply that he realizes that he won't be able to send the tape out because he'll be dead. At the end of the song Eminem saps, "in the car they found a tape, but they didn't say who it was to"; if the tape had been ruined he wouldn't know this.

-rast, april 16 2005

Agreed. Flillibridge 01:52, May 13, 2005 (UTC)

What makes you think the tape would be ruined? the only thing wrong with the tape is that its wet, the water wouldn't permanently damage the tape. the car went off a bridge and landed in water, water filled the car and killed everyone inside... even if the tape was broken in half, they could still put it back together and get information off of it after it was analyzed by a crime scene investigator. - Jordan, June 08, 2007

Category:Debut single

Whose debut single is this? KayEss | talk 09:14, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

I wasn't aware this was a debut single....

-Ben Simon

Debut single by Dido, although as a featured performer Do you know me?...then SHUT UP!!! _{Sarcasm is beauty} 23:21, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

The tape?

Hey, I heard this song again after a very long time the other day. While I was listening to the last of Stan's lyrics, which I always thought was "how'm I going to send this shit out?", I thought that it sounded a lot like "I'm not supposed to sit this shit out", which obviously would put a completely different meaning to it. I'm probably completely wrong, I listened to this song loads a few years ago thinking it was the other lyric, then listened to it once recently and thought it might be the second one, which isn't really enough, I know, but I just thought I'd mention it. --Aceizace 00:13, 9 August 2006 (UTC)-- and then sponebob came and helped the situation — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.212.60.129 (talk) 05:39, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

Is he singing about a real fan?

At http://www.lyricinterpretations.com an anonymous user said "This song is about when one of Eminem's fans "Stanley Mitchell" commited suicide and killed his girlfriend by driving his car off a bridge with his girlfriend in the trunk of his car on March 23 1999." Shouldn't the article mention anything about it, if it's real? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 80.162.18.36 (talk) 13:04, 26 February 2007 (UTC).

This site hardly meets Wikipedia's standards for verifiability. Moreover, if the user was anonymous, it's even less reliable. However, if we can cite something else, we can include this.--Orthologist 17:31, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

I tried to search around google and was unable to find anything about it(I'm the one who asked), anyone else who've had any luck?

That's the name on the tombstone you see in the video (pretty much at the end). It's part of the fiction. --89.217.158.197 06:17, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

If you read the interview with Eminem, at http://www.eminemlab.com/emineminterviews/emineminterview06.html, he directly states that he made up the fan. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.84.187.53 (talk) 08:19, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

Actually, this link sadly is not reliable, just leads to an casin game, apparently in Indonesian and probably it was vandalized or this link to this interview was taken down due to copyright infringement. 177.105.90.85 (talk) 20:34, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Source for "suggesting an apparently homosexual relationship" ?

This seems like original research to me, in the video it looks much more like Eminem is worried that Stan is becoming a stalker. The Pet Shop Boys song does link in here though, no matter what Eminem's intentions were. 82.68.41.201 16:59, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

During the early part of the song, Stan is in love with Eminem and wants a sexual relationship with him. He has many posters of him on his wall. Dido's character finds that Stan has put pictures of Eminem on top of her in pictures of Stan and her. In one of his letters, he says to Eminem "we should be together". 188.29.39.35 (talk) 12:23, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

This seems not reliable at all, there is nothing to prove this idea, not even Eminem himself confirmed this, anywhere that talks about its meaning,don't says absolutely nothing about it.

So gimme sources about it, cause it seems very doubtful. 177.105.90.85 (talk) 20:43, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

" singer" Elton John

I'm going to delete "gay" because that is unneeded additional information. Singer Elton John is fine enough. The SOAD Fan 16:26, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Dispute with dido

I seem to remember, on more than one occassaion, hearing on television that there had been a dispute between Eminem and Dido with the rights or the royalties to this track. I cannot find anything about it in the main article or indeed the "Stan (song)" article. I wondered if anyone knows anything about about it or if it should be included in either article. Just a thought. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.243.109.86 (talk) 16:28, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Lyrics section

the section on lyrics mentions parts from the video, this is hardly necessary seeing as anything from the music video that is note worthy should go into the music video section. it makes it slightly more confusing, switching from the two like that. also the lyrics shouldn't really contain any mention of the video but in the music video section there should be mention of lyrical content in relation to the video. ^o) stupid me —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.156.171.10 (talk) 21:36, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Section removed

I took out the following section, entitled "Un-Added Part" as it has too little information (and no references at all) to be useful. For example "an interview some time around New Years" isn't very helpful at all. I hope someone familiar with the subject can edit it into good enough shape to include the information:

Eminem had an interview some time around New Years. He menchined that Stan was supposed to be much longer but it too long so they took the last two parts out of it. If they didnt then in the song and music video, Stan would have survived the crash and gone insane. Then he goes up to Eminem's place and tries to kill him but Eminem ends up being the one who kills him.

(end of section) Loganberry (Talk) 18:44, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Stan is fictional

In an interview with Eminem, he states that Stan is fictional. Here is a transcribed interview conducted by VH1 [1]. The section where he talks about Stan:

VH1: Is there a connection between the song "Stan" and the character Stan in "Guilty Conscience" on The Slim Shady LP?

Eminem: No. Stan was just somebody completely made up, based on what could happen if you take my lyrics too seriously. I'm nice enough and courteous enough to tell the kids at the end of the day this is not how you want to be. You don't want to grow up to be just like me. When I say, "Jump off a f*cking bridge or slit your wrists," that's not what I'm really trying to say. It's tongue in cheek.

κaτaʟaveno^T_C 13:40, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Dido

her character in the music video, whats her name? --WhiteInKnights (talk) 17:12, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Borderline personality disorder

Stan fits the criteria of this. However, I cannot find a reliable source that says so, which is why I haven't added it to the article. Does anyone have a source for it? It is a good depiction of a severe case of BPD. 188.29.39.35 (talk) 12:23, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

genre

this song is horrorcore and you can tell by the lyrics. i got a citation for horrorcore, i don't see how it is alternative hip hop. unless there's a source for alternative hip hop, horrorcore will be the only genre. HATS STAH (talk) 23:21, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

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References on Legacy section

I think the different uses of this song in popular culture should be added on this section. I only now of a single one by a popular Israeli TV show called "HaYehudim Baim", in which Stan is replaced by Baruch Goldstein and Eminem by God. It's a fictional story of the events preceding the massacre at the Cave of the Patriarchs. This parody run on the Israeli Public Broadcaster in 2014 and can be accessed in its official YouTube account (retrieved as of Aug 2020). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.17.50.198 (talk) 12:43, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

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Stan eminem

Es una de la mejores canción en la historia del rap estado Unidos. Sobre un fan 201.229.238.69 (talk) 03:56, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

"Eminem has referenced Stan in some of his later songs, including River"

Can anyone elaborate on this? I really don't see any Stan references in River, and it's unsourced. Couruu (talk) 16:13, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Link to full unedited and uncensored video (as described in the 'Censorship' section)

I stumbled upon the full unedited and uncensored video but I am not sure where to put the link in the article. It is a TV rip - is putting it in the info box below the short and long versions suitable ? Qweqq (talk) 18:56, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

References

Nathan Mathers citation needed

It says Nathan was in the video but he doesn't play any of the major characters. Unless he's an extra in the crowd (which I think would be significant enough to mention explicitly) he should be removed from the video credits. Kangwolf (talk) 07:56, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

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