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Notational clarification needed

This may be clear to readers more acquainted with these details than I, but it was and is unclear to me. In the article, "... the ship was anchored in Provincetown Harbor by November 11/21.^[1]^[2]" made me wonder "what the heck does 11/21 mean? A quick look at the cited source which can be seen online did not clear that up for me. Digging around, I found "THE MAY-FLOWER AND HER LOG", Project Gutenberg's The Mayflower and Her Log, Complete, by Azel Ames, where I see: "Saturday, Aug. 12/22. Made port at Dartmouth MAY-FLOWER in company. Came to anchor near MAY-FLOWER." I don't understand the similarly confusing notation there saying 12/22, but it seems to conflict with 11/21. Also, I see similar notation elsewhere in the article (e.g., "They resumed exploration on Monday, December 11/21") which I don't follow.

Please clarify this. If this is a common notational convention which is understood by those properly clued-in, a clarifying footnote with a clue for readers not in that group might be helpful. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 11:01, 14 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Cite error: The named reference bradford_1_8-9 was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
^ Winslow & (2003), p. 64.

“one shilling (£0.05; about £20.00 today)”

This expression, cited right before footnote number [5], seems anachronistic, given the decimalization of the pound sterling only in 1971. Would it not be better to express it this way: one shilling (12 pence; about £20.00 today)? 173.243.188.17 (talk) 13:31, 24 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Specific ethnicity of the pilgrims, germanic or celtic?

Has there been any ancestry DNA test done on Pilgrims remains to figure out what their real ethnicity was? 50.44.242.105 (talk) 01:30, 10 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Why does that matter? They were Europeans. Nothing else to be said, Probably English and Dutch 2601:8C:981:A3C0:D458:61A5:6817:34FB (talk) 17:28, 4 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Land

No mention at all of the land theft at the expense of local natives. The usual 'Europeanised' propaganda making something heroic off of the beginning of the native American genocide that would be committed in North America. 31.20.246.162 (talk) 00:34, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I came to the talk section just to see if somebody had decided to put some such nonsense as this here. This article isn't about the "genocide". (And yes, I put that in scare quotes because I don't believe there was a "genocide".) It's about the Pilgrims. Write a separate article about how and why the Native American population was greatly reduced after the Europeans arrived, if that's what you want to see. Just make sure to include the words "inevitable culture clash" and "the Native Americans were inevitably going to lose". Jersey Jan (talk) 19:40, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In addition, don't forget the words "No resistance to European microbes" as it was the microbes who committed the "genocide". Jersey Jan (talk) 17:53, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[bradford_1_8-9-1] Cite error: The named reference bradford_1_8-9 was invoked but never defined (see the help page).

[2] Winslow & (2003), p. 64.

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