Talk:Union County Magnet High School

March 2003 deletion debate

• Union County Magnet High School
  • Equally pointless. -- Zoe
  • Why? It's a moderately informative article about an educational institution. It could become very useful for someone looking for a school in the Scotch Plains, NJ area, when the article has grown a bit. -- Oliver P. 03:58 Mar 7, 2003 (UTC)
  • A great article. Susan Mason
  • the DuPont Manual Magnet High School page has been in existence for nearly a year, how come that wasnt put up for deletion? Iammaxus

• Note: I am adding this here from old VfD archives.[1]. Outcome was that article was kept.--Milowent • ^talkblp-r 18:21, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

October 2004 deletion debate

For an October 2004 deletion debate over this page see Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Union County Magnet High School

Info about school philosophy and classes

Why has all information regarding classes, the ADDA test, AP courses, college credits, the mandatory technology courses, stark electives, etc. been removed from this article? I see it existed in the past, but for some reason has been removed.

This article simply reads like- Intro (with summary of mission statement), Awards, Extracurriculars, Building, Legal Disputes,

Where is the discussion about the school's vocational status, mandatory classes, engineering and technology focus, etc.? I can't believe there's a discussion about the facade of the building but not about the actual quality of education. --74.105.51.151 (talk) 18:02, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

Extracurricular Activities needs cleaning up

The extracurriculars section seems very lengthy, taking up more space than any other part of the article. There is information on clubs that appear to have existed for only a year that is no longer relevant. Also, the only reference for this sort of information would be from students, which are not technically legitimate references. There is no real way of finding references for the majority of this extracurricular information, except for some of the few newsworthy events, such as the Relay for Life. --74.105.51.151 (talk) 18:02, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

Opinion

Is the opinion of one particular student (e.g., "Boris Pivtorak") important enough to merit discussion on this article? I personally doubt it. --Chinju 01:42 Mar 7, 2003 (UTC)

Superman was once a particular student but you wouldnt doubt placing his opions in an article about his school would you --Iammaxus 01:46 Mar 7, 2003 (UTC)

Yeah, but Superman merits an entire article of his own. As far as I am aware, Boris Pivtorak does not. Were he to merit an article of his own, it would be appropriate to discuss his opinion of UCMHS and to link to his article. --Chinju

Yes, but i was implying that one day, Boris may be Superman (or another member of the board of superheroes or whatever it is) and then you will wish you had recorded his opinions and published them publicaly --Iammaxus 01:50 Mar 7, 2003 (UTC)

At that point, we will add his past publicly voiced opinions about UCMHS to the article, along with notes about the context in which he voiced them. It is not feasible to work on the assumption that every student of UCMHS may someday be Superman, nor does there exist a good method for predicting which ones will eventually mature into Superman. Spiderman, maybe, but certainly not Superman. --Chinju

Magnet has created scholars out of its students

I think we should stress the role that Magnet created to add value to our high school educations.

NPOV

For those of you who wrote the section on UCMHS's legal dispute, I hate to tell you, but it is incredibly one-sided. The writing is slated in UCMHS's favor. It needs a re-write; it makes it seem as if the lawsuits were incredibly frivulous and the districts who were suing were comprised of evil, greedy pigs. Since I highly doubt that this is the case, the section, if not the whole article, needs a re-write. Heavy Metal Cellist^talk_contribs

As the person who wrote that section, yes, it is quite biassed. That section was written last-minute to show how the MHS was worthy of an article. I had hoped that somebody would come through and make it less POV. Knock yourself out. REwhite 18:57, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps the "Legal Troubles" section would seem a bit more NPOV if placed at the end of the article. At the top it makes it appear as though this is the school's center of focus. Philosophy, etc. should definately have more prevalence.

What is meant by "The disputable selection system, although neutral in every way except for grades in middle school and standardised testing"? What is disputable about the selection system? What is a "neutral" selection system? Is a neutral selection system a good thing or a bad thing? Davost 22:57, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Neutrality from the point of view of a student

However, Magnet did win all of those cases. What should we do, risk neutrality (which, in fact, we never have) and say that it should have lost? Magnet was legaly founded by the government of Union County and follows each of the rules placed by the government. In fact, holding up magnet is a greater challenge than holding up any other public school. 90% of the students must acheive 70% or higher on the ADDA, which is a test most technologists do not even take untill they begin college.

Assessment as of March 2007

Hello all, and thank you for contributing to this school site. I'm part of the Wikipedia:WikiProject_Schools/Assessment team, and, as requested, I'm reviewing this page. I'm currently giving it a grade of Start on the Wikipedia 1.0 Assessment Scale and an importance of Mid on this importance scale.

My reasoning is as follows: This reads like a B article but it needs to reference its claims. It could also use work on its neutrality. Adam McCormick 07:22, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Coming on... you have refs. More required. A picture or six? Victuallers 19:38, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Assessment comments

These have been moved here from a subpage as part of a cleanup process. See Wikipedia:Discontinuation of comments subpages.

I have assessed this article as C-class and identified the following areas for improvement:

• The article needs inline citations
• The article needs references

shirulashem (talk) 19:43, 26 December 2008 (UTC)