Talk:Battle of Changsha

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Rename four of these pages for clarification

Can we please rename the four pages called Battle of Changsha in the Second Sino-Japanese War to the First Battle of Changsha, Second Battle of Changsha, Third Battle of Changsha and Fourth Battle of Changsha please? Current names are a bit unclear. Enoryt nwased lamaj (talk) 00:44, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Can someone explain more on what's [Second Chinese-Japanese War] ? Or it's only a phase in the Asian theatre of WWII. Please use a more common nomenclature ---- Ktsquare

The difficulty here is that the Second Chinese-Japanese War began July 7, 1937, i.e. clearly before the recognized start of WWII. It did not become a part of of WWII until December 1941 when Japan undertook multiple attacks on other countries. The First Chinese-Japanese War was in 1894-5.

Before December 1941, Japan has already undertaken multiply attacks on other countries including the failed invasion of Russia and invasion of Mongolia. The so-called "First Chinese-Japanese War" was a major naval encounter and limited battles in today Liaoning, Jilin provinces and Korea between Qing Dynasty and Japan. I'm sure it has a proper name but can't recall it. It's certianly not called second or first Chinese-Japanese War. Ktsquare

From what I can see on the net, notably quotes from the Romance of the Three Kingdoms I am convinced that there was a battle at Changsha during this period. Unfortunately these kinds of sources do not do dates very well. --Eclecticology, Thursday, June 20, 2002

Would you show me which section(s) of the Romance of the Three Kingdoms that mentions the battle? thanx very much--Ktsquare, Thursday, June 20, 2002

Chapter 53

I just read the chapter as I have a copy of the book. The battle was just an insignificant combat of Liu Bei' forces against local militias, involving only just over 2000 men including all sides. The most important point here is that Romance of the Three Kingdoms is ONLY A NOVEL based on the Period of Three Kingdoms with many fictitious characters and incidents. Thus do not regard it as a reliable source of historical events.--Ktsquare

Actually, you would be wrong there. Romance of the Three Kingdoms is not so much a fairy tale as it is a [i]King Auther[/i]. The charecters are real, the most of the events are real, ect. However, it has been romanticized, hence the title. It can be used as historical evidence, as the person who wrote it was the son of a man who served one of the kingdoms, and used all the information gathered, which was quite a lot.

First and foremost, please sign your comments. Second, you were sugguesting that the book can be used as evidence since the father of the author served one of the kingdoms. Then I ask you for the name of the author and his lifetime; you will know that you were wrong. I.H.S.V. (talk) 22:04, 30 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Sanguo zhi states that Changsha was under Liu Pan(刘磐) and later Han Xuan before Han Xuan's surrender to Liu Bei. The conquest of Changsha was better known for the first meeting between Huang Zhong, one of Han Xuan's general, and the Liu Bei force. The fictional fight between Huang Zhong and Guan Yu in Romance of the Three Kingdoms is not mentioned in Sanguo zhi.--Skyfiler 21:03, 27 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]